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<p>[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 3315118, member: 31620"]As a specialist collector that has been collecting a series for some time I have to resign myself to the fact that quite often the coins I am now chasing after are quite often relatively scarce. The side effects of this are twofold. It can be a long time between being able to find coins I am after to enhance the collection (fill gaps or upgrade) and along side many are sought after by other collectors too and as such they can demand a high price, which is often beyond my means.</p><p><br /></p><p>The result of this with my Probus Lugdunum collection is that I might only add 4 or 5 coins a year to it exactly for those two reasons i.e. I don't see things that often and when I do, such as at the Gysen collection auctioned last year the coins I am after go beyond my reach (well apart from one).</p><p><br /></p><p>2019 has started well for me on this front as we are less than 3 weeks in and I have already added two coins to this collection. This thread is to share the first of those with some of the context around it. I am basing the emission allocation and dating on Bastien.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lugdunum was operating 4 officina (workshops) during this period and these were generally identified by the numerals I, II, III and IIII for the first eight emissions (issues) with a transition to A, B, C and D for emission 9.</p><p><br /></p><p>For this thread I am going to focus in on Emission 7, which is dated to the Summer of A.D. 281. The four officina seems to have had a clean separation of types that they were producing, which is not always the case. The reverse titles are all pushing a political message trying to reinforce the virtues of the Emperor, such as claiming Minerva and Hercules as being companions of the Emperor. We have to place this into the context that a year later Probus was killed by his troops.</p><p><br /></p><p>Officina 1 - COMITI PROBI AVG, Minerva standing left, holding olive-branch and spear and resting left hand on shield</p><p>Officina 2 - MARTI VICTORI AVG, Mars standing left, holding laurel-branch and spear; to left behind him, shield (shield sometimes missing, perhaps in error since all examples without shield are from a single reverse die)</p><p>Officina 3 - SPES PROBI AVG, Spes walking left, holding flower and raising robe</p><p>Officina 4 - COMITI PROBI AVG, Hercules standing left, holding olive-branch, club and lion skin</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Officina 1 </b>only uses two obverse legends</p><p><b>IMP C PROBVS P F AVG (<b>with and without dots in the obverse legend)</b></b></p><p>Which appears with two bust types</p><p><b>Radiate, cuirassed bust right (Bastien 315 (dots) and 316 (no dots))</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132bd_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>We also find the reverse error legend <b>COMITI PORBI AVG (Bastien 315c double die match</b>)</p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132xk_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right (seen from the front) (Bastien 314)</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132oc_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><b>IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG (Bastien 313, citing 4 known examples), Onberse die match to Bastien 313a</b></p><p><b>This is my newest addition - no examples on Wildwinds or Probvs.net</b></p><p>I know that it isn't in great shape but I don't know when, if ever, I will see another</p><p><b><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132yg_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Officina 2 </b>only uses two obverse legends</p><p><b>IMP C PROBVS P F AVG (<b>with and without dots in the obverse legend)</b></b></p><p>Which appears with four bust types</p><p><b>Radiate cuirassed bust right</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132xq_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front</b></p><p>My search continues for this variant</p><p><b>Radiate bust leaft wearing imperial mantle, holding Victoriola</b></p><p>Only one example known and my hopes of ever finding one that I can afford is VERY slim<b></b></p><p><b>IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG </b></p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132vv_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Officina 3 </b>only uses two obverse legends</p><p><b>IMP C PROBVS P F AVG </b>(with and without dots in the obverse legend)</p><p>Which appears with two bust types</p><p><b>Radiate cuirassed bust right</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132bo_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front</p><p>My search continues for this variant</p><p><b>IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG</b></p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132yd_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>Officina 4 only uses two obverse legends</p><p><b>IMP C PROBVS P F AVG </b>(with and without dots in the obverse legend)</p><p>Which appears with four bust types</p><p><b>Radiate cuirassed bust right</b></p><p>My search continues for this variant</p><p><b>Radiate cuirassed bust right (seen from the rear)</b></p><p>My search continues for this variant</p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front</b></p><p><b><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132wd_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </b></p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear</b></p><p>My search continues for this variant</p><p><b>IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG</b></p><p><b>Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear</b></p><p><img src="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132we_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Martin (sharing his obsession one post at a time)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 3315118, member: 31620"]As a specialist collector that has been collecting a series for some time I have to resign myself to the fact that quite often the coins I am now chasing after are quite often relatively scarce. The side effects of this are twofold. It can be a long time between being able to find coins I am after to enhance the collection (fill gaps or upgrade) and along side many are sought after by other collectors too and as such they can demand a high price, which is often beyond my means. The result of this with my Probus Lugdunum collection is that I might only add 4 or 5 coins a year to it exactly for those two reasons i.e. I don't see things that often and when I do, such as at the Gysen collection auctioned last year the coins I am after go beyond my reach (well apart from one). 2019 has started well for me on this front as we are less than 3 weeks in and I have already added two coins to this collection. This thread is to share the first of those with some of the context around it. I am basing the emission allocation and dating on Bastien. Lugdunum was operating 4 officina (workshops) during this period and these were generally identified by the numerals I, II, III and IIII for the first eight emissions (issues) with a transition to A, B, C and D for emission 9. For this thread I am going to focus in on Emission 7, which is dated to the Summer of A.D. 281. The four officina seems to have had a clean separation of types that they were producing, which is not always the case. The reverse titles are all pushing a political message trying to reinforce the virtues of the Emperor, such as claiming Minerva and Hercules as being companions of the Emperor. We have to place this into the context that a year later Probus was killed by his troops. Officina 1 - COMITI PROBI AVG, Minerva standing left, holding olive-branch and spear and resting left hand on shield Officina 2 - MARTI VICTORI AVG, Mars standing left, holding laurel-branch and spear; to left behind him, shield (shield sometimes missing, perhaps in error since all examples without shield are from a single reverse die) Officina 3 - SPES PROBI AVG, Spes walking left, holding flower and raising robe Officina 4 - COMITI PROBI AVG, Hercules standing left, holding olive-branch, club and lion skin [B]Officina 1 [/B]only uses two obverse legends [B]IMP C PROBVS P F AVG ([B]with and without dots in the obverse legend)[/B][/B] Which appears with two bust types [B]Radiate, cuirassed bust right (Bastien 315 (dots) and 316 (no dots))[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132bd_img.jpg[/IMG] We also find the reverse error legend [B]COMITI PORBI AVG (Bastien 315c double die match[/B]) [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132xk_img.jpg[/IMG] [B]Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right (seen from the front) (Bastien 314)[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132oc_img.jpg[/IMG] [B]IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG (Bastien 313, citing 4 known examples), Onberse die match to Bastien 313a This is my newest addition - no examples on Wildwinds or Probvs.net[/B] I know that it isn't in great shape but I don't know when, if ever, I will see another [B][IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132yg_img.jpg[/IMG] [/B] [B]Officina 2 [/B]only uses two obverse legends [B]IMP C PROBVS P F AVG ([B]with and without dots in the obverse legend)[/B][/B] Which appears with four bust types [B]Radiate cuirassed bust right[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132xq_img.jpg[/IMG] [B]Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front[/B] My search continues for this variant [B]Radiate bust leaft wearing imperial mantle, holding Victoriola[/B] Only one example known[B] [/B]and my hopes of ever finding one that I can afford is VERY slim[B] IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG [/B] [B]Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132vv_img.jpg[/IMG] [B]Officina 3 [/B]only uses two obverse legends [B]IMP C PROBVS P F AVG [/B](with and without dots in the obverse legend) Which appears with two bust types [B]Radiate cuirassed bust right[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132bo_img.jpg[/IMG] Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front My search continues for this variant [B]IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132yd_img.jpg[/IMG] Officina 4 only uses two obverse legends [B]IMP C PROBVS P F AVG [/B](with and without dots in the obverse legend) Which appears with four bust types [B]Radiate cuirassed bust right[/B] My search continues for this variant [B]Radiate cuirassed bust right (seen from the rear)[/B] My search continues for this variant [B]Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132wd_img.jpg[/IMG] Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear[/B] My search continues for this variant [B]IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear[/B] [IMG]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132we_img.jpg[/IMG] Martin (sharing his obsession one post at a time)[/QUOTE]
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