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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Could there be anything more foreboding of doom than to be a Caesar in the third century? Just being declared Princeps Juventutis ("Head of Youth") pretty much meant that you were going to be killed within a few years.

    Here are my PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS coins in chronological order. Let's see yours!!

    Maximus PRINCIPI IVVENTVTVS S C sestertius.jpg
    Maximus, Caesar AD 235/6-238.
    Roman orichalcum sestertius, 21.54 g, 31.5 mm, 12 h.
    Rome, 3rd emission, late AD 236-237.
    Obv: MAXIMVS CAES GERM, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS S C, Maximus standing left in military dress, holding baton in right hand and transverse spear in left hand; behind him, two standards.
    Refs: RIC 13; BMCRE 213-17; Cohen 14; RCV 8411; MIR 37-5; Banti 6.

    Philip II as Caesar under Philip I, AD 244-247.
    Roman AR Antoninianus 4.87 g, 23.5 mm, 11 h.
    Rome, AD 245-246.
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, radiate and draped bust right.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT, Philip II in military dress, standing left, holding globe and resting on spear.
    Refs: RIC 218d; Cohen 32; RCV 9240; Hunter 3.

    Philip II PRINCIPI IVVENT sestertius.jpg
    Philip II as Caesar under Philip I, AD 244-247.
    Roman orichalcum sestertius, 19.61 g, 28.3 mm, 11 h.
    Rome, AD 245-246.
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, bare-headed and draped bust right.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT S C, Philip II in military dress, standing left, holding globe and resting on spear.
    Refs: RIC 256a; Cohen 49; RCV 9249; Hunter 14.

    Herennius Etruscus as Caesar, AD 249-251.
    Roman AR antoninianus, 3.83 g, 22.4 mm, 11 h.
    Rome, 5th emission, early AD 151.
    Obv: Q HER ETR MES DECIVS NOB C, radiate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS, Apollo seated left, holding branch and resting left elbow on lyre.
    Refs: RIC 146; RSC 24a; Cohen --; RCV 9522; Hunter 9; ERIC II 40.

    [​IMG] Hostilian as Caesar, AD 250-251.
    Roman AR antoninianus, 4.32 g, 20.5 mm, 5 h.
    Rome mint, 5th officina. 5th emission, early AD 251.
    Obv: C VALENS HOSTIL MES QVINTVS N C, radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS, Hostilian standing slightly left, holding signum and reversed spear.
    RIC 181d; RSC 34; RCV 9561; Hunter 4.
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  3. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    R.C., I've posted my Maximus sestertius a number of times but always enjoy posting it :D. It's the same issue as yours.
    AE Sestertius 31 mm, 26.39 gm, 12 h, RIC 13 (5).jpg
    Maximus as Caesar, AD 235-238, AE Sestertius: 26.39 gm, 31 mm, 12 h.
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  4. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Caesar at 7, consul at 9, murdered by the Praetorian guard at 12, not exactly a long and prosperous life as young prince...
    Phillip II Princ Ivv.jpg Philip II Caesar, AD 244–247, Æ Sestertius, struck AD 244-246
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, bareheaded and draped bust right
    Rev: PRINCIP IVVENT S – C, the prince, in military attire, standing right, holding spear and globe
    Ref: RIC 255
    Note: an interesting read: Pohlsander, H. (1982). Did Decius Kill the Philippi? Historia: Zeitschrift Für Alte Geschichte, 31(2), 214-222.
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  5. Ryro

    Ryro The last of the Diadochi Supporter

    Dang. I was gonna shout from the roof tops how lovely your example is RC... then I saw @Al Kowsky 's:artist::cigar::woot:
    Great thread idea as well!
    Daddies overly ambitious. Time to make up my will before Latin lessons:
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  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Interesting thread and coins. It made me look up my own "young princes" and I have more than I thought:

    Philip II - a Sestertius; two asses, both rough:
    Philip II - Sest. IVVENTI Dec 2020 (0).jpg
    Philip II - As IVENTIS Apr 2018 (0).jpg Philip II - As IVVENT PRIN lot Mar 2021 (0).jpg

    Philip II antoninianus (new purchase - just in last week):
    Philip II - Ant. PRINC IVENT Apr 2021 (0a).jpg

    "IVVENTVTIS" from Domitian:
    Domitian den IVVENTIS Minerva Apr 2019 (0).jpg
    Domitian (Caesar) Denarius
    (80-81 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    CAESAR DIVI F DOMITIANVS COS VII, laureate head right / PRINCEPS IVVENTVTIS, Minerva advancing right, wielding javelin and holding shield at the ready.
    RIC 268; RSC 381a, BMC 86
    (2.65 grams / 18 mm)

    Another IVVENTVTIS - Valerian II crowning a trophy:
    Valerian II - Ant IVENT lot Oct 2018 (0).jpg
    Valerian II Antoninianus
    (son of Gallienus)
    (c. 256-258 A.D.)
    Antioch or Samosata Mint

    VALERIANVS NOBIL CAES, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust rt. / PRINC IVVENTVTIS prince standing crowning trophy to left, holding spear and shield.
    RIC 49; Göbl 1694b; RSC 67a.
    (3.26 grams / 21 x 18 mm)

    Leave it to Commodus to make it weird: IOVI IVVENI
    Commodus - Sest. IOVI IVVENTI lot Jul 2020 (0).JPG
    Commodus Æ Sestertius
    (189 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    [M] COM[MOD ANT P FELIX AVG BRIT P P], laureate head r. / IO[VI IVV]ENI P M TR P XII[II IMP VIII COS V DES VI] S C: Jupiter standing left, holding thunderbolt & sceptre, eagle left.
    RIC III 542.
    (15.07 grams / 26 x 24 mm)
    Attribution Note:
    There are several IOVI IVVENI types from this era:
    RIC 499: TR P XII
    RIC 542: TR P XIIII COS VI DES, based on other examples, layout of visible reverse legend seems to best match RIC III 542.
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  7. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Supporter! Supporter

    Gordian III as Caesar Ar Denarius. 238 AD Obv. Head right bareheaded and draped. Rv Sacrifical implements RIC 1 3.05 grms 18 mm gordian3.JPG Again we have an image of a 13 year old who is probably wondering is he is going to survive at all. First his grandfather then his uncle are killed while they raised the flag of revolt against Thrax and then his his raised to the purple by Balbinus and Pupienus who appear to spend most of their time fighting each other. As a friend of mine once observed "I should have stood in bed.";)
  8. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    Coins of "principes iuventutis" of...

    1. aureus of Vespasian with his two sons, Titus and Domitian. The latter was assassinated.

    2. Antoninianus of Herennius Etruscus - Prin. Iuvent. - died in battle with his father.

    3. Two aurei and two denarii of Nero who was Princeps Iuventutis under Claudius. Things did not go so well for him in the end.

    4. Sestertius of Maximus - the Princeps Iuventutis under his dad Maximinus. - Killed as well.

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  9. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Proclaimed as Augustus in 260 AD, but within a few weeks or months of his accession he was captured and executed. He was about 18 years old, though on this Antoninianus I think he looks older. attributes this issue to Gallia, Lugdunum, acsearch attributes it to Cologne or Mediolanum. Sear is the most recent reference and attributes it to either Viminacium or Mediolanum (Milan):confused:

    Saloninus as Caesar, Æ Antoninianus
    Viminacium or Mediolanum, 258 - 260 AD; 1st emission, struck under Valerian and Gallienus
    22 x 24 mm, 2.946 g

    RIC V Saloninus 10, Göbl MIR 36, 939z; Sear 10770

    Ob.: SAL VALERIANVS CS radiate and draped bust right
    Rev.: PRINC IVVENT Saloninus standing facing, head left, holding baton and transverse spear; signum at right

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  10. DonnaML

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    I have only two PRINC IVVENT-type coins. The first is for Gaius and Lucius, who certainly died prematurely, but of illness rather than being murdered. Unless one wishes to blame Livia for their deaths as well!

    Augustus AR Denarius, 2 BCE-13 AD Lugdunum [Lyons] Mint. Obv. Laureate head right, CAESAR AVGVSTVS DIVI F PATER PATRIAE/ Rev. Gaius & Lucius standing front, each with a hand resting on a round shield, a spear, & in field above, a lituus [curved augural staff] right & simpulum [ladle] left [in "b9"-like formation], AVGVSTI F COS DESIG PRINC IVVENT (beginning at 4:00); C L CAESARES below. RIC I 207, RSC I 43, Sear RCV I 1597, BMCRE 533. 18 mm., 3.9 g.

    (The photo of both sides is Frank Robinson's usual somewhat blurry effort; the photo of the reverse is mine, to permit the reading of the legend. I haven't gotten around to photographing the obverse myself.)

    Detail Augustus denarius (Caius & Lucius) (2).jpg

    Augustus- Gaius & Lucius R1.jpg

    The second is a standard Philip II type that it actually seems I've never posted here before:

    Philip II, Caesar (son of Philip I) AR Antoninianus, 247 AD, Obv. Radiate head right, M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES/ Philip II standing left holding a globe and scepter, captive at his feet, PRINCIPI IVVENT. RIC IV-3 219, RSC IV 57. 23 mm., 4.42 g.

    Philip II Caesar Antoninianus PRINCIPI IVVENT reverse, Philip with globe.jpg
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  11. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Here's one of mine that I bought recently. It's actually a mule of Tetricus I, with a Tetricus II reverse!

    Tetricus I PRINC IVVENT.png
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  12. gsimonel

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    Seems like the designation was less of a curse in the 4th century:
    (All coins of Constantine I)
    Treveri (Trier) mint, A.D. 307
    RIC 734
    Rev: PRINCIPI IV-VE-NTVTIS - Prince in military dress holding 2 standards
    PTR in exergue; S in left field, A in right
    27 mm, 8.8 g.

    Treveri (Trier) mint, A.D. 307-308
    RIC 781
    Rev: PRINCIPI IV-VENTVTIS - Prince in military dress, head left, wtih standard in each hand.
    PTR in exergue; S in left field, A in right
    26 mm, 7.4 g.

    Lugdunum (Lyons) mint, A.D. 309-310
    RIC 306
    Rev: PRINCIPI IV-VENTVTIS - Prince, standing right, in military dress, with globe and transverse spear
    PLG in exergue; F in left field, T in right
    21 x 24 mm, 3.6 g.

    London mint, A.D. 310-312
    RIC 222
    Rev: PRINCIPI IV-VENTVTIS - Prince, head left, with globe and inverted spear
    PLN in exergue; star in right field
    24 mm, 4.3 g.

    London mint, A.D. 312-313
    RIC 265
    Rev: PRINCIPI IV-VENTVTIS - Prince, standing, in military dress and cloak, holding globe and transverse spear
    PLN in exergue; star in left field
    24 mm, 4.0 g.
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  13. Orielensis

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    Splendid coins, @Roman Collector ! I particularly like your Maximus sestertius. A nicely patinated coin with an expressive portrait.

    Here are mine. The first is Geta:
    Rom – Geta, Denar, Principi Iuventutis.png
    Geta, Roman Empire, denarius, 200–202 AD, Rome mint. Obv: P SEPT GETA CAES PONT; bust of Geta, bare-headed, draped, r. Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTUTIS; Geta, holding baton and sceptre, standing l. next to trophy r. 18mm, 3.40g. Ref: RIC IV Geta 18.

    Philip II:
    Rom – Philip II, antoninian, Principi Iuvent.png
    Philip II, Roman Empire, antoninian, 245–246 AD, Rome mint. Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES; bust of Philip II, radiate and draped, r. Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT; Philip II standing r., holding spear and globe. 23mm, 4.01g. Ref: RIC IV Philip I 216c.

    Rom – Crispus, AE3, Principi iuventutis.jpg
    Crispus, Roman Empire, AE 3, 317–318 AD, Trier mint. Obv: FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES; laureate and cuirassed bust of Crispus r. Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENTVTIS; Crispus standing l. holding spear and globe; in fields, F-T; mintmark .ATR. 19.5mm, 3.19g. Ref: RIC VII Trier 171.
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Cool coins and thread, @Roman Collector ...

    Here is one:

    RI Valerian II 256-258 CE Silvered Ant PRINCIP IVVENTVS
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  16. Alwin

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    A Princeps Juventutis who is not yet in the list


    DIADUMENIAN, Denarius
    Rome, 217
    3.28 g - 20 mm
    S 7448 v. - C 12 - RIC 107
    M OPEL DIADVMENIANVS CAES, Bare headed bust right
    PRINC - IVVENTVTIS, Diadumenian standing left, holding baton and sceptre, two standards to right
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  17. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Domitian as caesar under Titus.


    laureate head right.
    lighted & garlanded altar.
    Domitian Caesar 69-81
    AR Denarius
    Struck 80-81
    Ric 266 (Titus)
    Ex Künker
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  18. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    One of my favorites are obviously the Gaius & Lucius denarii, I like even the subaerats.:) In the past, I have shared mines' in another thread.

    RIC dates these denarii as part of a series minted from 2 BC to 4 AD. It just doesn’t make sense that this dynastic type would continue to be minted after the death of Lucius in 4 AD.
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  19. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Great coins all around folks.
    I didn't even know I had so many of them....

    Caius & Lucius, denarius

    Geta, denarius

    Maximus, sestertius

    Philippus II, antoninianus

    Saloninus, as

    Numerianus, antoninianus

    Constantinus II, nummus

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  20. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks. It occurred to me that the date- range I had didn't make too much sense.
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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    This Domitian struck me as a very nice type which I only afforded because of the scratches. I decided to sell it because it does not fit my collecting interests (not 12 Caesars). Does anyone here have a nice one?
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