Pretty sweet 1945-S Washington Quarter DDO picked off eBay..

I understand everything your saying, I'm just trying to help others out here, ( New Bees ) that would of sent this coin in for a variety ( number ) and would of just came up with the label saying " Double Die Obverse " .

Without the " Markers " no number can be attributed to this DDO . That's why my guess was 4 . I used the markers on the back to try and help me attributed it .

This is the correct way to attributed DDO(s) with the same kind of Doubling ...

 

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Hey Rick, I understand where you are coming from. Technically a variety should have only one known die. But I have come across several that have multiple dies that are attributed as the same variety. I don't understand that one.

They even came from the same collection by the same expert. An example of this is over at Great Collection. Here's the link http://www.greatcollections.com/sea...ter+FS-501&listing_type=4&frombid=0&tobid=500

Note the three coins half way down "From the personal collection of Bill Fivaz" the first one in the list has a slightly CCW rotated reverse die and the MM is placed lower than the other two. The other two have correctly aligned reverse dies with a slightly higher set MM. This would indicate that the particular MM punch was used on 2 separate dies, yet they are listed as the same variety. So using pickups such as die cracks or polishing lines and gouges would not work on identifying this particular variety. I know I am talking about a Mint Mark variety and not a Doubled Die, but it's something to ponder.

 

Coneca has no files on this coin, wexler list no cross-references for this DDO ....

 

Ha Lee, I understand and you understand, what do you think the " New Bees " will think about Variety Hunting ? I think most will get lost, so I'm trying to save some money for them and show them the correct way to attributed Varieties ....

 

All this back and forth is giving me a headache . This is not complicated.

1. Yes, it is possible to have a DDO coin struck with two different reverse dies and a DDR struck with two different obverse dies. So what. The important part of the coin is the side with the doubling and it better match exactly.

2. A marker is only a "true diagnostic marker" for authentication when it is unique to the variety or specific date. If variety A has a specific diagnostic marker and it is not on the coin in question you are either dealing with a different variety (usually the case) or you may have a later die state where the marker is missing. In that case - it really isn't such a great diagnostic marker after all is it , so pick a better one.

3. Mint mark positions are not markers as they are in the same position for coins struck with that die. They are mint marks. For example, the fact that four MMK positions are posted for a 1909-S VDB cent is cool. It is helpful to have that research but I have heard these coins have other diagnostic markers for each die too. If someone wishes to collect all the positions of the "D" mint marks on 1948-D nickels and call that a variety collection, go for it.

 

I agree with you regarding newbies.. But they should do as we all have, study. If they have a coin that they think is a variety, they should look it up and learn about it. Try to answer their own question before blindly posting something on here and expect to have the answer handed to them. They will NEVER learn that way. There is soooo much information readily available at your fingertips for absolutely no cost other than internet connection fee's, that some of the stuff I see posted in here, I just shake my head and don't even bother trying to answer. The old adage of "Give a man a fish and he will have a meal to eat, teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life" is very relevant here.

Also, FYI Lee is my last name and Justin is my first. LOL being called Lee reminds me of when I was in the military, not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

Now I know the " New Bees " are lost . Lol ....

 

I agree with you Insider. My only contention in the 1952-D Washington quarter variety I pointed out is that the particular mint mark itself is the variety. It's the Huge D mint mark that has not been seen on any other coin produced by the mint. My point was that the same mint mark was used on at least two dies and is still considered the same variety.

 

The variety is listed on James Wiles site Variety Vista. He catalogues and updates the CONECA files and every variety on his site is listed by the CONECA number and if available a FS number. Wexler's site sometimes lists the CONECA and FS numbers as cross references, it's pretty inconsistent when it comes to cross references.

 

Anyway's, I know what it is. The reason for my post was to see if anyone had more information on the particular variety than I do or could find on the internet.

 

I talked to the Coneca Boys about that and was told, no one will get on the same page, to keep everybody on the same page, as far as for cross-references .

 

Attn: New Bees. This thread was finished at the start except for all the "props" for the OP. The OP posted the correct attribution. The coin is a dead ringer for the DDO-001 and NOTHING ELSE for this date even comes close! How we got to a page #2 is, well ... Hopefully, the extra discussion turned out to be useful.

 

Was the placement the same ?
If so, that mint worker must of had one hell of a memory ..

 

Never looked. And yes, the shape of mint marks is considered a variety and many of these are very scarce:

"Huge O" quarter
"Micro O" and "Small S" dollars
"Large S" nickel
etc...

PS The second tier services do virtually all the varieties. If I remember, at one time Mike Ellis worked at ICG and at the time IGC was the "official" grading service of CONECA.

 

Of course it does, I know when I'm looking for Varieties, or Vams, I always look for Markers and you ( new bees ) should too .

 

The placement was not the same. I mentioned that on one of the three the mint mark was placed lower than the other two.

 

I alway's try to confirm markers, but as Insider and I have both indicated, that markers are only good for that particular die state if they are polish lines or gouges.

 

I also go on Collectors Universe forum too and one of the members sent in a Cherrypickers coin, that did not get attributed because the markers didn't match and it was clearly that Variety .

So the lesson learned is, if the markers don't match, you must send in to an error expert to add the coin to the list .
Then, you can send the coin in for grading and get the variety added too ...

 

Very curious to hear about that. AFAIK PCGS and NGC do the varieties pictured in Cherrypicker's. Guess this happened too long ago to find the link. Perhaps the poster's coin was NOT clearly the variety - except in his mind of course.

 

I'm over there as well.. I remember recently that someone sent is a 1918-7-S SLQ that did not get attributed, which should have been an automatic attribution. But it was corrected by PCGS eventually.

I am curious as to which coin you are referring to, I'd love to read the thread if you can find it. Their search engine sucks.