pre 1501 AD coins with dates

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  1. tibor

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    Two varieties for this issue. This with medieval "4", the other with a modern "4".
    Uncertain of the mint that issued it per Bob's book.
     
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  3. tibor

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    From the Mulheim mint. This piece from the Cervin collection.
     
  4. tibor

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    This piece from the Ghent mint.
     
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  5. tibor

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    A Kortling with a mixed numeral date. M CCCCLXXX8
     
  6. tibor

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    From the mint Schneeberg. Once again, a coin whose only damage is
    at the date!!:arghh::arghh::mad:
     
  7. tibor

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    From the Graz mint. Many of Austria's dated coins are either near impossible
    to collect or are unique in museum collections.
     
  8. tibor

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    I only have 3 for the years 1486-87. Two of them need
    Todd's magic. After that I will be able to post more per year.
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    You need the Roskilde 1234-dated piece from Denmark! :D
     
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  10. tibor

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    My finances at the time prevented me from putting in a bid. Still on my
    bucket list. I do have two coins though that have the date 1204 SE in Roman
    numerals. The SE or Es-Safar, refers to the Spanish Era, a calendar system that Augustus Caesar introduced in 38 BC. The coins were made in Toledo, Spain.
    The 1204 date translates to 1166 AD.
    You have no idea how broken hearted I was when the Roskilde piece came up
    for auction and I was unable to bid. 10 years latter and it still bothers me. Really.
     
  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I understand there are only six known examples of that Roskilde coin?
     
  12. tibor

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    Thank you for fixing my post!! Regarding the Roskilde coins, there are
    six in museums and one in the wild, the coin that was up for auction. I
    wonder what has happened to that coin since the auction.
     
  13. lordmarcovan

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    Wow! Just the one, then? Now that's an elusive quarry!

    Sure makes you wish you could go swing a metal detector around Roskilde, eh? ;)
     
  14. tibor

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    Here are pics of the two 1204 (1166 AD) coins 1204-1166-2.jpg

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  15. tibor

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    On the dinero the left image, the date starts at 1o'clock and finishing at 7o'clock.
    MCCIIII The word ERA fills the rest. On the right image the word TOLETUM
    starts at @o'clock.
    The obol is a much nicer coin and the viewer should be able to read the legends.
     
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  16. tibor

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    The Roskilde piece has an interesting back story. The first two pieces were located
    in Sweden. The first had just a partial date, the second a complete date. Since they
    were Danish pieces, Denmark wanted the coins. Sweden refused. Denmark then launched an aggressive search of its own. One was found at a convent during excavations in 1943. Another was found in a collection. They searched under the wooden floors of all the churches that existed at the time the coin was minted.They found two more bringing that total number to six. The seventh piece, the one that did not auction successfully, I'm not sure of its origin. If I remember correctly it was in a private collection. A metal detector might be a good idea.
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

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    That "searching under church floors" bit is pretty interesting, too. I'll bet they found all sorts of cool stuff!
     
  18. tibor

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    Over 100 churches were examined. 5000+ coins were found. Of the 161
    coins that fell into the date range 1146-1241 two of them were found
    to be the 1204 coins. They were found in a church in Roskilde.
    Since the convent was also near Roskilde, it was safe to assume that
    the the Bishop at the time, Niels Stigen minted the coins. On one side of
    the coin, the one with the date, there is what looks to be a bishops hat. It
    would be neat to find one with a metal detector. I wonder what laws
    Denmark has concerning "found treasure".
     
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  19. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Congrats on getting those 2 found coins (TIC). Are there many others? Price range?
     
  20. tibor

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    The two Spanish coins are very rare according to auction sales
    and dealers in Spain that I have contacted. Less than 10 of each
    known. With that said the dinero cost me approximately 850 Euros,
    the obol I think 2100 Euros. In my book that is pretty cheap since
    over half of each are locked up in museums.
     
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  21. HoledandCreative

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    Thank you. Sounds very reasonable to me, too. I look forward to seeing your coins all the way back to 1204SE or earlier.
     
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