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<p>[QUOTE="mrbrklyn, post: 444266, member: 4381"]I didn't create that quote, somebody else did based on live experience, so it is a reality and not a made up scenario. He's not saying this might happen. He is say it does happen.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is getting to be serious semantics. I see no difference in their definition and the word "perfect". If you want to say perfect with a 5x glass, that's fine. No defects of any kind is perfect. Now, I doubt that happens, putting that aside, you then has the dubious question as to what is a proper strike. Good luck with that.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There is no practical difference between the world flawless and and as fully intended strikes and the word perfect. And I've seen the word "perfect" used in PSCG literature, and repeatedly over again in the rags and books you read</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/ms-70.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/ms-70.html" rel="nofollow">http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/ms-70.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>here </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.lsmint.com/AboutCoins.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.lsmint.com/AboutCoins.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lsmint.com/AboutCoins.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>and here </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.americanplatinumexchange.com/glossary.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.americanplatinumexchange.com/glossary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanplatinumexchange.com/glossary.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>and here</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.acoin.com/grading.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.acoin.com/grading.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.acoin.com/grading.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>and here</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.apmex.com/Category/751/PERFECT_70_Coins.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.apmex.com/Category/751/PERFECT_70_Coins.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.apmex.com/Category/751/PERFECT_70_Coins.aspx</a></p><p><br /></p><p>and here</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/grading-coins.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/grading-coins.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/grading-coins.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>ad nusium</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I didn't say you have to go to the microscopic level to define perfect, I'm saying they can't decide on perfect within there own definitions of a 5x loop. They really can't and we've seen repeated examples of this here and at trade show and across coin collecting. PCGS is clear that a 70 can't be weak strike. Look at a reverse Morgan. How many facets of that coin might be clear or not even on a strong strike. A Lincoln cent is just as bad as is the Jefferson Nickel, the Walking Liberty design, Franklin Halves. Does it have to be a full bell line to be a 70? See its not that simple to define a "flawless" strike. But in the end I don't really care about any of this.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>What I do care about is the the process is not validateble. I don't care how much crying and whining there is defending the top tier slabbers When you can prove to me that if we resubmit 100 MS 70 or PF70 coins and statistically get them all regraded as 70's then the process is a valid process with approvable quality control.</p><p><br /></p><p>And it wouldn't. It would fail any serious validation process. And if I dispensed diabetes drugs with that kind of consistency I'd be called a quack and prosecuted under the law.</p><p><br /></p><p>And putting down $5000 for a MS70 Ike worth $20 turns the whole principle of the Sheldon Scale, as well as it being outright foolish because of the lack of validity of the grading process.</p><p><br /></p><p>** Definition of Validation of a process is best set forth in this book and among others :</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3PDHqSI6eewC&dq=Definition:+Industrial+Process+validation&pg=PP1&ots=B4YoAuJfeJ&source=in&sig=0C7XcKMFrDOOD5Ua-7tx50P4tAA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=11&ct=result#PPP1,M1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3PDHqSI6eewC&dq=Definition:+Industrial+Process+validation&pg=PP1&ots=B4YoAuJfeJ&source=in&sig=0C7XcKMFrDOOD5Ua-7tx50P4tAA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=11&ct=result#PPP1,M1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=3PDHqSI6eewC&dq=Definition:+Industrial+Process+validation&pg=PP1&ots=B4YoAuJfeJ&source=in&sig=0C7XcKMFrDOOD5Ua-7tx50P4tAA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=11&ct=result#PPP1,M1</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mrbrklyn, post: 444266, member: 4381"]I didn't create that quote, somebody else did based on live experience, so it is a reality and not a made up scenario. He's not saying this might happen. He is say it does happen. This is getting to be serious semantics. I see no difference in their definition and the word "perfect". If you want to say perfect with a 5x glass, that's fine. No defects of any kind is perfect. Now, I doubt that happens, putting that aside, you then has the dubious question as to what is a proper strike. Good luck with that. There is no practical difference between the world flawless and and as fully intended strikes and the word perfect. And I've seen the word "perfect" used in PSCG literature, and repeatedly over again in the rags and books you read [url]http://en.mimi.hu/numismatic/ms-70.html[/url] here [url]http://www.lsmint.com/AboutCoins.html[/url] and here [url]http://www.americanplatinumexchange.com/glossary.htm[/url] and here [url]http://www.acoin.com/grading.htm[/url] and here [url]http://www.apmex.com/Category/751/PERFECT_70_Coins.aspx[/url] and here [url]http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/grading-coins.html[/url] ad nusium Now I didn't say you have to go to the microscopic level to define perfect, I'm saying they can't decide on perfect within there own definitions of a 5x loop. They really can't and we've seen repeated examples of this here and at trade show and across coin collecting. PCGS is clear that a 70 can't be weak strike. Look at a reverse Morgan. How many facets of that coin might be clear or not even on a strong strike. A Lincoln cent is just as bad as is the Jefferson Nickel, the Walking Liberty design, Franklin Halves. Does it have to be a full bell line to be a 70? See its not that simple to define a "flawless" strike. But in the end I don't really care about any of this. What I do care about is the the process is not validateble. I don't care how much crying and whining there is defending the top tier slabbers When you can prove to me that if we resubmit 100 MS 70 or PF70 coins and statistically get them all regraded as 70's then the process is a valid process with approvable quality control. And it wouldn't. It would fail any serious validation process. And if I dispensed diabetes drugs with that kind of consistency I'd be called a quack and prosecuted under the law. And putting down $5000 for a MS70 Ike worth $20 turns the whole principle of the Sheldon Scale, as well as it being outright foolish because of the lack of validity of the grading process. ** Definition of Validation of a process is best set forth in this book and among others : [url]http://books.google.com/books?id=3PDHqSI6eewC&dq=Definition:+Industrial+Process+validation&pg=PP1&ots=B4YoAuJfeJ&source=in&sig=0C7XcKMFrDOOD5Ua-7tx50P4tAA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=11&ct=result#PPP1,M1[/url][/QUOTE]
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