Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Tejas, Jul 28, 2021.
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Without the clear description (although this is irrelevant, as objects like this will most likely be sold again without "disclaimer") I would have not seen any signs of forgery.
No casting signs (they do say that they hand strike them). Flow lines visible. Signs of cleaning. And even if it's mentioned that "INTENTIONALLY DIFFERENTIATE IN WEIGHT AND SIZE FROM THE ANCIENT COINS" I checked on OCRE and size and weight are in the standards.
What are the red flags for this coin, if any? Is there a way to distinguish them?
I know the "know the coin or know the seller" rule but seeing objects like this makes me 99% sure I will not buy (genuine) coins from rare rulers.
Usually for such examples the style is the red flag. The obverse style is subtly wrong for the issue. Bust is too thin. Eagle on reverse is pretty far from genuine examples too.
Real Marciana portraits tend to look very much like Trajan.
A genuine piece (picked from acsearch)
the modern repro:
I am not an expert on the "style" or the coinage of this period (I enjoy Roman Republic).
However I looked at the "Flow Lines" (Die Stretch Marks) from my metal manufacturing experience. They looked like they were molded into the letters and a few other strategic spots. Also, the surface treatment / patina(?) looks to be an optical illusion to reinforce the "flow lines".
I agree, and why would a reproduction have a fake patina and discolourations, which otherwise indicate age?
The manufacturers of these "reproductions" are obviously well aware that their buyers are likely to sell them on as genuine examples, and I'd be willing to bet that that's their intended market in the first place. Otherwise they would mark their products as copies, and would refrain from the artificial aging. But if they did so, their sales would probably go down to almost nothing. I believe that they're knowing facilitators of fraud.
Aiding and abetting...
You should write to the local prosecutor's office in Plovdiv to see if they're interested in pursuing a case.
Note that this seller does not ship to the USA. I wonder if doing so would break some law against importing unmarked copies.
It is nothing but a counterfeit, sold as a "reproduction" to the original buyer, who will, in all probability, sell it as an original.
“PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL OF OUR COINS ARE HIGH QUALITY, HIGH STANDARD, HAND STRUCK (HAMMERED) NEW REPRODUCTIONS OF ANCIENT ARTIFACTS. WE ARE CERTIFIED BY THE "REGIONAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL MUSEUM, PLOVDIV (BULGARIA)" PERMITTING US TO SELL AND EXPORT THE COINS, WHICH ARE NOT A MONUMENT OF CULTURE, AND DO INTENTIONALLY DIFFERENTIATE IN WEIGHT AND SIZE FROM THE ANCIENT COINS. COINLANDIA IS ADDING VALUE FOR THE COIN COLLECTOR BY OFFERING QUALITY WITH UNTOUCHED AUTHENTIC FEEL AT A FRACTION OF THE ACTUAL PRICE.”
sellers description. Might be a bit misleading for those that do not read the fine print..like the time i spent 12.50 and 8.00 shipping for "solid sterling silver" rings, but in the description he says base metal and solid sterling silver plate (not) i lost on that claim with ebay and had to eat it...also those 1/24 of 24 kt gold coins made by a foreign= mint people think they are 1/10 oz 24 kt, yet they contain less than 3 cents in gold and sell in the 40-75 each range...buyer beware, read he description, pay by pay pal, be wary!
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