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Message:: [QUOTE="Paddy54, post: 8333564, member: 19250"]Picked these 2 up this morning $90. [ATTACH=full]1477270[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1477271[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1477272[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1477273[/ATTACH] These two are the nicest I've picked raw ever....the  Webster/Van Buren those aren't sratches they are part of the design I never knew existed as most are worned smooth.Also notice the tern " Current"  vs Currency on the token. An HT-20 This token was made by the Scovill mfg. co. of Waterbury Conn. Anticpating the election of 1840 in which it was presumed Webster would win and become President . It turned out W.H. Harrison opposed Van Buren and became president in 1841.The hard times token was made after the US economic depression,panicof 1837,and related to Van Buren's projectsfor reformed banking system. Van Buren was the 8th US president. HT-20 is distinguished from the other Van Buren/Webster ship token by having  CURRENT on boththe obv.and rev.also on the reverse,HT-20 has the ocean touching it of CREDIT and the pennent ends below the center of the R in Webster. The "Shinplaster" is a term for bills of irresponible banks and private parties.The image of the Phoneix rising from the flames seems to mean paper money was only fit to be burned,and that with its elimination, new life would rise from the ashes.The date Nov.  R 1837 , refers to a convention of representatives for leading banks in New York to a fix a date for resumption.[/QUOTE]