Post your seleukids

I actually have the plate coin from Houghton!

 

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With respect. The Alexandria coin is from modern dies. These dies have been deemed to be modern fake dies and have been published. It is number 6 on Plate 24 in the The American Numismatic Society, Museum Notes 30 in an article called Myrina and Related Forgeries.

Look at the detail of the coin and compare it with the two examples I have now provided for comparison, both of which are confirmed examples from these fake dies. Look at the reverse and note that every detail, the positioning of every letter, the positioning of devices relative to the lettering, the drapery are all identical when comparing the two reverses.

The same exercise of comparison can be performed with the obverse die and the same conclusion drawn.



Regards,
Martin

 

Dear Martin

The quality of the coins you've kindly shared is different than my coin. Mine has far sharper tooled detailing - feet, hair, eyes etc. The graphic also rests much lower in the flan.

Both your coins clearly share the same die but mine has done more detailing maybe not clear from the photos I shared. I do appreciate your feedback and background information which is all very helpful

Unless you're saying the actual graphic design is a modern design I still have quiet confidence this is an original piece. It bears no signs of being a cast. And the quality is not like a typical copy.

Best thing I can do is have the coin checked in person with someone with experience like your good self. The seller has agreed to refund if I confirm with an expert in person. I paid $300 for it...

Regards

Az

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That is exactly what he is saying. Unfortunately, there simply isn't any doubt that yours is a fake. Regardless of what the surfaces look like to you, there is no escaping the fact that the design is an exact match for known fakes and it does not match any known authentic coins.

If you search online archives (CNG and acsearch), you will find only four of these very rare coins. In the Fakes databases, you will see eight or more like yours, all from the same mold/die.

 

If that expert opinion costs you any money, the seller should also reimburse that expense because as we've said, there isn't any doubt whatsoever that this coin is a modern fake.

Also, were it authentic, the $300 you paid would be low by a factor of ten or more.

 

Here's an interesting thought. What if those fakes are based on a design taken from real coins that have not been uncovered yet in the coin collecting sphere ...such as this coin?

Also interesting that there are so few coins of this type, even the copies number 8 or so.

Surprised it wouldn't fetch a LOT more than $3,000 if shown to be true. It would basically be a one off known authentic coin.

How much might this coin be worth to a collector of it were sold as a copy? Appears to be solid silver and a very high quality copy (if not kosher). Weighs exactly 17 grammes

 

$1

 

Ouch!

 

You are following the Kübler-Ross "Five Stages of Grief" and are now in the "bargaining" phase

It is possible for a "host" coin to provide the template for fakes, but that is not the case here. The style of your coins (and the other matching fakes) is simply wrong, among other things.

As for value, it is certainly worth the spot price of the precious metal from which it was made. Sometimes certain fakes sell for a little more than spot, but that is usually for certain "famous" forgers' or copyists' work.

 

I have a handful of fakes, they didn't cost me much. I keep them for educational purposes. They were made to deceive and before I die (I hope) I will mark them in such a way that they won't be able to sell as genuine coins in the future.

 

The only one I have...and rather on the oval side of things (as others shown here)


SELEUKID KINGS of SYRIA. Seleukos I Nikator. 312-281 BC. AR Tetradrachm. In the name and types of Alexander III of Macedon. Babylon I mint. Struck circa 311-300 BC. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monogram in wreath in left field, H below throne. SC 82.6; Price 3704; HGC 9, 10f.

 

Here's my gallery of Seleukid bronzes. I really need to rephotograph these:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4084

And my favorite:



AE 22, 5.41g, Antiochos IV, Epiphanes, Antiocheia ad Kallirhoen, 175-164 BC, Obv: Antiochos facing right. Rev: Zeus standing left, holding eagle and scepter, monograms to l., quasi-municipal, Antioch on the Kallirhoe (Edessa), ANTIOXEWN ΤΟΝ ΕΠΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΡΟΗΙ, VF. Hoover HGC 9, 672 (R1-2).

 

Well, I'll throw in another one---Ariarathes:

 

*sigh*

=> Sum Ting Wongagain

"There's no place like home ... there's no place like home"






... gawd, I had a horrible dream!!

 

Good job on the seleukos VI, quite hard to find those.

 

Best I've got


Seleukid Kingdom, Demetrius I AE21 Serrate. Bust of Artemis right, wearing stephane, bow and quiver at shoulder / BASILEWS DHMHTPIOY, bow & quiver

 

and another oval:

 

SYRIA Antiochos VIII Ae-19mm of . (Grypos), 121-113 BC.

Reference.
SNG Spear 2524

Obv. no legend
Diademed, radiate head of Antiochus right.

Rev. BASILEWS ANTIOCOU EPI-FANOU
Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, sceptre behind shoulder

 

This thread turned pretty humorous. I recently photographed another addition that I haven't yet posted. This one has pretty decent relief on the obv.


SELEUKID EMPIRE. Antiochos III ‘the Great’. 222-187 BC. AR Tetradrachm Tarsos mint. Diademed head right / ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ, Apollo seated left on omphalos, testing arrow and holding grounded bow; to outer left, A monogram above club; N monogram in right field.
Ref: SC 1026.6; WSM 1267; HGC 9, 447r
32.2mm
17.21g

 

Found out that the coins with the Biga elephant reverse were minted in Susa and the Quadriga's were minted in Seleucia on the Tigris.


Same as the Tets minted in the name of Alexander the Great except that the name
on the right is altered in SELEUKOS.