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<p>[QUOTE="Bill in Burl, post: 2059768, member: 23692"]Your first coin is a 9/8. There were 13 different reverse dies that had a larger/rounder font 9 handpunched in over the initial 8 into the working die. The initial order for Canada was 10 million coins and they started late in '58. When the mint saw how fast the Reverse working dies were breaking, and with the Royal Mint in London was using the same presses & machinery that they used on the Brit half-penny (same dia) they made a quick decision. The Canadian cents were bronze, harder than the copper brit coins, and they were 1/3 thinner which led to great stresses on the dies. For all of the remaining coins to be dated 1859 (maybe 7-8 million left on the orig order), they ground off the last digit 8 from the hub (the hub is what is pressed into the working die blanks to make the working dies). Once they completed all the working dies (now incuse/incised with just 185), they had to hand -punch in the final 9 into the die. To do this required 2-4 whacks with the hammer and punch with a hardening of the punch and annealing of the die blank between each whack. It could have been hours or days or weeks between the whacks so they never lined up perfectly with the last whacks. For this reason, the 1859's are absolutely filled with repunched 9's that are all over the place... high, low, left, right or tilted either direction from each of the 2-4 hand-whacked punch attempts.</p><p><br /></p><p>You second coin is one of those. It could be the one that has been named "triple-punch 9" in Charlton & trends or it could be just a different '59 that has been triple punched. Check to see if your coin has a die crack from leaf 11 tip to the denticle(leaf 11 is just to the left and slightly lower than the 1 in the date. Then see if you have a large D/C between Victoria and Dei. Your scan and lack of the full reverse (you have to know markers to properly ID) prevents me from saying yes or no. Good luck[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bill in Burl, post: 2059768, member: 23692"]Your first coin is a 9/8. There were 13 different reverse dies that had a larger/rounder font 9 handpunched in over the initial 8 into the working die. The initial order for Canada was 10 million coins and they started late in '58. When the mint saw how fast the Reverse working dies were breaking, and with the Royal Mint in London was using the same presses & machinery that they used on the Brit half-penny (same dia) they made a quick decision. The Canadian cents were bronze, harder than the copper brit coins, and they were 1/3 thinner which led to great stresses on the dies. For all of the remaining coins to be dated 1859 (maybe 7-8 million left on the orig order), they ground off the last digit 8 from the hub (the hub is what is pressed into the working die blanks to make the working dies). Once they completed all the working dies (now incuse/incised with just 185), they had to hand -punch in the final 9 into the die. To do this required 2-4 whacks with the hammer and punch with a hardening of the punch and annealing of the die blank between each whack. It could have been hours or days or weeks between the whacks so they never lined up perfectly with the last whacks. For this reason, the 1859's are absolutely filled with repunched 9's that are all over the place... high, low, left, right or tilted either direction from each of the 2-4 hand-whacked punch attempts. You second coin is one of those. It could be the one that has been named "triple-punch 9" in Charlton & trends or it could be just a different '59 that has been triple punched. Check to see if your coin has a die crack from leaf 11 tip to the denticle(leaf 11 is just to the left and slightly lower than the 1 in the date. Then see if you have a large D/C between Victoria and Dei. Your scan and lack of the full reverse (you have to know markers to properly ID) prevents me from saying yes or no. Good luck[/QUOTE]
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