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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;John Burgess, post: 4877195, member: 105098&quot;]I&#039;m honestly not entirely sure, that beard and hair is really nice on it though but it is a Denver, and I&#039;ve noticed Denver is generally better overall than Philly. older dies don&#039;t strike it so well, so I&#039;m thinking it&#039;s an early die state.</p><p><br /></p><p>ODV-041 (2001-2009) with the enhanced bow tie I believe is this obverse die,&nbsp; but I think ODV-040 (2000) is when they enhanced the lower beard (neckbeard) and bottom lip and they were at their strongest with the Upper beard detail of ODV-035 of 1990 until the lower beard enhancement in 2000 in there, they have kind of let the detail diminish since then though on purpose I think or toned it down. while reworking other parts of the obverse die.</p><p><br /></p><p>At 2010, he starts looking like he&#039;s got razor bumps on his neck again.</p><p>it&#039;s a nice strike, it&#039;s why I posted it, you can see the forehead vein too, imo there&#039;s a high level of detail here that&#039;s not that common to find. but it might be just a better run in 2005 from Denver. also in my opinion it looks better than whatever PCGS has for picture of MS67-MS68 range far as detail of strike. I think I&#039;d be pusing it expecting a MS-69 but I think it should really get into MS68 or even 68+, if they were being real about it, they have some real dog examples&nbsp; for MS67 that make me wonder why it&#039;s even graded that high and it&#039;s got the be the strength of the strike outweighing the black spots or linear plating blisters, lol. I dont&#039; do anything because NGC sales on heritage go for less than $100 on MS69, and I have no history of a PCGS graded one above MS67 selling and that also swings wildly from $10-$138. it&#039;s not one of those coins that makes me feel ok about the grading fees when I might lose on it. </p><p>I think in general the collectors are fine with the satin finish ones, and my thought that the business strikes would have collector values, hasn&#039;t materialized yet, and may not.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry to derail, if I had another lincoln picture available I&#039;d post it but I&#039;m fresh out![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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