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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2632517, member: 19463"]We will not all agree on the question of what is included in 'damage'. I can accept test cuts as damage although they were part of normal use for many coins. Countermarks are quite another matter. They were what made the coin the coin it was. 'Damage' implies something negative that happened to the coin. In a few rare examples like Damnatio Memoriae slashes defacing Nero, there could be question as to whether the coin gained interest/demand/value along with the 'damage'. Being cut in half to make a smaller denomination does not strike me as damage. Being broken in half by being crowded into an overfilled stock box ---<i> that </i>is damage. Weight adjustment file marks or Stannard scoops are not damage. Don't even think of calling the centration dimples on Ptolemaic or Provincial coins 'damage'. </p><p><br /></p><p>A few samples. </p><p>This coin of Caracalla and Plautilla of Stratonicia was not damaged when it was countermarked even though the head of Zeus on the reverse was lost in the process.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]579493[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The same countermark was most likely on the Stratonicia of Septimius and Domna. When someone decided that it need to be removed, that might be considered damage.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]579492[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>My favorite broken (damaged!) coin is this Caracalla of Pautalia with busts of Serapis and Isis. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]579494[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree test cuts are damage but sometimes they are bad enough that they add a level of interest all their own. Ken posted an owl in this category. My owl wishes they had hit him harder so he could be more interesting, too. As it is, he is just damaged.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]579497[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Another owl, this an obol, has damage on both sides I really wish I could prove to be teeth marks from being carried in a mouth. Fantasy? Is there a dentist in the house?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]579498[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2632517, member: 19463"]We will not all agree on the question of what is included in 'damage'. I can accept test cuts as damage although they were part of normal use for many coins. Countermarks are quite another matter. They were what made the coin the coin it was. 'Damage' implies something negative that happened to the coin. In a few rare examples like Damnatio Memoriae slashes defacing Nero, there could be question as to whether the coin gained interest/demand/value along with the 'damage'. Being cut in half to make a smaller denomination does not strike me as damage. Being broken in half by being crowded into an overfilled stock box ---[I] that [/I]is damage. Weight adjustment file marks or Stannard scoops are not damage. Don't even think of calling the centration dimples on Ptolemaic or Provincial coins 'damage'. A few samples. This coin of Caracalla and Plautilla of Stratonicia was not damaged when it was countermarked even though the head of Zeus on the reverse was lost in the process. [ATTACH=full]579493[/ATTACH] The same countermark was most likely on the Stratonicia of Septimius and Domna. When someone decided that it need to be removed, that might be considered damage. [ATTACH=full]579492[/ATTACH] My favorite broken (damaged!) coin is this Caracalla of Pautalia with busts of Serapis and Isis. [ATTACH=full]579494[/ATTACH] I agree test cuts are damage but sometimes they are bad enough that they add a level of interest all their own. Ken posted an owl in this category. My owl wishes they had hit him harder so he could be more interesting, too. As it is, he is just damaged. [ATTACH=full]579497[/ATTACH] Another owl, this an obol, has damage on both sides I really wish I could prove to be teeth marks from being carried in a mouth. Fantasy? Is there a dentist in the house? [ATTACH=full]579498[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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