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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;robp, post: 4668279, member: 96746&quot;]Another Civil War groat, this time Worcester. Allen B-1 with mm.Rose/Helmet </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1151016[/ATTACH]</p><p>The groats with the rose initial mark on the obverse are considerably scarcer than the later groats with a lis over rose mark following the re-engraving of the obverse die. By my reckoning there are only 4 roses, but over a dozen lis coins. Of the former, there is a nice one in the BM which has been there at least 180 years, and of the other three available one is creased and chipped whilst another has a hole, leaving this one a no-brainer.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin ex-H Montagu (V) 401d, Sotheby 16/11/1897; H O O’Hagan 512j, Sotheby 16/12/1907 (bought Weight); B Roth (I) 330b, Sotheby 19/7/1917; H W Morrieson 659a, Sotheby 20/11/1933 (bought Seaby for stock); V J E Ryan 1331b, Glendining 22/1/1952; Fred Baldwin Collection; F Brady 378, SCA 209, 6/10/2011 and acquired last year after a long wait for it to reappear.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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