Striation lines from a worn die, the lines are in the die and transferred to the coin during striking.
These are what you could call Stria. I call them planchet chatter. They show up in the weakly struck, (or Low Pressure Areas) of the coin. These show up as little dings and pits cause by the planchets being tumbled during cleaning. They are not multi-lined marks that qualify as some definition of Striations. I'm not saying that all of the lines/marks on these coins are pre-strike. I do believe most are.
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Striations or just plain old roller line. Are they one and the same? I am very certain these are are pre-strike abnormalities. Odd they both go in the same direction.
Another coin with planchet chatter, or what ever folks want to call it. Note all the small pits everywhere, compare tops of letters with the field around them. Some possible strike through in field and on neck.1887-P
I have always wondered what the lines are from the 2 to the N in United were. Looks like striations to me. What say you?
Here is a 3¢ silver with obverse planchet striations: And here are some 90% dime scrap which show pre-strike striations on the rolled metal:
I'm not able to post coins at the moment but I really like the concept of this thread. Some that will qualify would be errors (struck on a split planchet is one). ps. Using Insiders parameters (on the planchet before being struck), should die marks/dings, die lines, feeder finger lines/gouges be excluded? (Lots of modern Shield cents have linear striations on them that are visible after the strike.) (Thanks from a curious mind.) EDIT: Thanks to Dave Waterstraat for correcting me in his following reply about VAM's not being an example Insider was looking for.
VAM numbers refer to specific die varieties/ pairings with all markers being in the die. Planchet striations or roller marks as some call them are not in the die and therefore do not qualify as a VAM listing.
Thank you Dave. I appreciate that info since I'm not familiar with Morgans much at all. Since you pointed this out about the VAM's, in hindsight I should have put more thought into the VAM designation being from a die "anomalie". The striations Insider is referring to wouldn't be on the die. Thanks again for the info and correction.
I see my post on page 1 is somewhat misleading regarding VAM63A. The striations are there because the clamp pressure and/or die spacing was off. The result was an incomplete strike which is common for that VAM and all the examples I've seen have had the striations to some degree. The example I posted is extreme . edit to add - The example I have is actually a 2fer. I needed the VAM number for my '83-O VAM set and I really liked the extreme striations.
Just to get things straight in my mind, the fields on a coin (blank spaces between devices) are the most "struck" on a coin, while the devices are a result of metal flow into a void and are (perhaps) the least "stuck" on a coin...???
I enjoy reading about different coins that are not minted correctly and I learn a great deal. Thank you for helping me understand the many ways coins are minted, cancelled, or have an error. Although I have been collecting coins for about 10 years, I still have a great deal to learn and I am fortunate that CT is there to teach me.