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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24857312, member: 26430"]How to choose... I'll do one Cilician + a group of Thessalian ones that belong together:</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm partial to this one, an AR Stater of the Satrap Mazaios, struck in Tarsus shortly before Alexander the Great took the city. (<i>The bull may yet come back and win -- not over yet!</i>)</p><p><br /></p><p>This specimen has an interesting backstory. It was a scarce type until a large hoard was found (the so-called "Tarsus Hoard," late 1970s, see below). Much of it, including this coin, was acq. by the "Athena Fund," Merrill-Lynch's ancient coin investment fund that went bust (and the manager, Bruce McNall famously imprisoned, about which, to his credit, he wrote a classic memoir, <i>Fun While It Lasted</i>).</p><p><br /></p><p>This was also one of the first ancient coins ever encapsulated (the Seventko Collection, encapsulated by ICG for Heritage Auction 296 in 2002):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593591[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><b>Tarsos, Cilicia AR Stater</b> (10.66g, 22.5mm, 1h). temp. Mazaios, Satrap of Cilicia, BC 361 – 334.</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Obv</b>: BLTRZ (Baaltars) in Aramaic to right. Baal of Tarsos seated left, holding eagle, grain ear, grapes, and scepter; TR (in Aramaic) to lower left, M (in Aramaic) below throne.</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Rev</b>: MZDI. Lion attacking bull left; monogram below.</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Ref</b>: SNG Levante 106; Casabonne Series 2, Group C. Cf. BMC 53; Babelon 695.</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Provenance</b>: Ex-CNG EA 455 (30 Oct 2019), Lot 168, J.B. (d. 2019, Edmonton) Collection; ex Calgary Coin Galleries, Autumn 2004; Heritage 296 (27 Jul 2002), Lot 11134, Dr. Joseph M. Seventko Collection; <a href="https://www.icgcoin.com/load_SNSearch.php?ctn=5571290112" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.icgcoin.com/load_SNSearch.php?ctn=5571290112" rel="nofollow">ICG (AU53) #5571290112</a> (removed from encapsulation, Feb 2021); CNG MBS XXIX (30 Mar 1994), Lot 252 (ill. on p. 25); Sotheby’s w/ NFA, “Greek and Roman Coins” (27 Oct 1993), Lot 808.1 (rev. illustrated), Athena Fund (Part II).</font></p><p><font size="4"><i>Prob.</i> ex “Tarsus Hoard” (late 1970s; see Bing, 1998, “<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/4436493" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/4436493" rel="nofollow">Datames and Mazaeus.</a>...” <i>Historia</i> 47 (1): p. 63, n. 6 & p. 73).</font></p><p><i><font size="4">See the <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-diagrams/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-diagrams/" rel="nofollow">Provenance Diagram</a>.</font></i></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593592[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I like the Thessalian ones that illustrate the local horseback bull-wrestling games known as Taurokathapsia. The same event (more-or-less, we presume) is depicted over the course of more than 500 years of Thessalian coins here, through the reign of Nero.</p><p><br /></p><p>I love all the bulls and horses on these:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Thessaly, Larissa AR Stater, c. 460-450 BCE</b> w/ BCD's tags, B&W photos:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593595[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Thessaly, Krannon AR Obol, c. 460 BCE</b>:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593597[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Thessaly, Krannon AE Chalkous, c. 4th cent. BCE</b>:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593596[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Thessaly, Pherai, Tyrant Alexander AE, 369-358 BCE</b>:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593598[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Thessaly, Koinon, Nero AE Diassarion (?), c. 66-87 CE</b>. It's hard to see what the image is, but it shows the bull-wrestler (Thessalos?) leaping from the horse to catch the bull's horns with a strap of fabric or leather:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593599[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Well, I guess all of those aren't very nice to the bulls now that I think about it... But I do like them. Sorry, bulls.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24857312, member: 26430"]How to choose... I'll do one Cilician + a group of Thessalian ones that belong together: I'm partial to this one, an AR Stater of the Satrap Mazaios, struck in Tarsus shortly before Alexander the Great took the city. ([I]The bull may yet come back and win -- not over yet![/I]) This specimen has an interesting backstory. It was a scarce type until a large hoard was found (the so-called "Tarsus Hoard," late 1970s, see below). Much of it, including this coin, was acq. by the "Athena Fund," Merrill-Lynch's ancient coin investment fund that went bust (and the manager, Bruce McNall famously imprisoned, about which, to his credit, he wrote a classic memoir, [I]Fun While It Lasted[/I]). This was also one of the first ancient coins ever encapsulated (the Seventko Collection, encapsulated by ICG for Heritage Auction 296 in 2002): [ATTACH=full]1593591[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=4][B]Tarsos, Cilicia AR Stater[/B] (10.66g, 22.5mm, 1h). temp. Mazaios, Satrap of Cilicia, BC 361 – 334. [B]Obv[/B]: BLTRZ (Baaltars) in Aramaic to right. Baal of Tarsos seated left, holding eagle, grain ear, grapes, and scepter; TR (in Aramaic) to lower left, M (in Aramaic) below throne. [B]Rev[/B]: MZDI. Lion attacking bull left; monogram below. [B]Ref[/B]: SNG Levante 106; Casabonne Series 2, Group C. Cf. BMC 53; Babelon 695. [B]Provenance[/B]: Ex-CNG EA 455 (30 Oct 2019), Lot 168, J.B. (d. 2019, Edmonton) Collection; ex Calgary Coin Galleries, Autumn 2004; Heritage 296 (27 Jul 2002), Lot 11134, Dr. Joseph M. Seventko Collection; [URL='https://www.icgcoin.com/load_SNSearch.php?ctn=5571290112']ICG (AU53) #5571290112[/URL] (removed from encapsulation, Feb 2021); CNG MBS XXIX (30 Mar 1994), Lot 252 (ill. on p. 25); Sotheby’s w/ NFA, “Greek and Roman Coins” (27 Oct 1993), Lot 808.1 (rev. illustrated), Athena Fund (Part II). [I]Prob.[/I] ex “Tarsus Hoard” (late 1970s; see Bing, 1998, “[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/4436493']Datames and Mazaeus.[/URL]...” [I]Historia[/I] 47 (1): p. 63, n. 6 & p. 73).[/SIZE] [I][SIZE=4]See the [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-diagrams/']Provenance Diagram[/URL].[/SIZE][/I][/INDENT] [ATTACH=full]1593592[/ATTACH] I like the Thessalian ones that illustrate the local horseback bull-wrestling games known as Taurokathapsia. The same event (more-or-less, we presume) is depicted over the course of more than 500 years of Thessalian coins here, through the reign of Nero. I love all the bulls and horses on these: [B]Thessaly, Larissa AR Stater, c. 460-450 BCE[/B] w/ BCD's tags, B&W photos: [ATTACH=full]1593595[/ATTACH] [B]Thessaly, Krannon AR Obol, c. 460 BCE[/B]: [ATTACH=full]1593597[/ATTACH] [B]Thessaly, Krannon AE Chalkous, c. 4th cent. BCE[/B]: [ATTACH=full]1593596[/ATTACH] [B]Thessaly, Pherai, Tyrant Alexander AE, 369-358 BCE[/B]: [ATTACH=full]1593598[/ATTACH] [B]Thessaly, Koinon, Nero AE Diassarion (?), c. 66-87 CE[/B]. It's hard to see what the image is, but it shows the bull-wrestler (Thessalos?) leaping from the horse to catch the bull's horns with a strap of fabric or leather: [ATTACH=full]1593599[/ATTACH] Well, I guess all of those aren't very nice to the bulls now that I think about it... But I do like them. Sorry, bulls.[/QUOTE]
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