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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Curtis, post: 24716751, member: 26430&quot;]Ah, the fascinating NCAPR Vespasian ... I need to restrain myself! I&#039;ve spent a lot of time thinking about it and trying to figure it out...</p><p><br /></p><p>If real, I can&#039;t understand why they (Pangerl et al.) don&#039;t publish it more adequately. (See below.) (<i>Edit</i>: I should also mention that it&#039;s photographed &amp; discussed in this Italian article [Martini 2005] that I&#039;m still working through: <a href="https://www.academia.edu/43689669/Monete_imperiali_romane_contromarcate_Nota_II_Sesterzio_di_Tiberius_per_il_Divus_Augustus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/43689669/Monete_imperiali_romane_contromarcate_Nota_II_Sesterzio_di_Tiberius_per_il_Divus_Augustus" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/43689669/Monete_imperiali_romane_contromarcate_Nota_II_Sesterzio_di_Tiberius_per_il_Divus_Augustus</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p>It would transform a major, centuries-old numismatic debate (involving great numismatists of every era like Borghesi, de Saulcy, Gnecchi, Kraay, Mattingly, Sutherland, Sydenham, and more; if Eckhel discussed it, I&#039;ve lost the citation; D. MacDowall wrote a good article in 1971, <a href="https://issuu.com/institut-destudis-catalans/docs/actnum_vol1_issuu" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://issuu.com/institut-destudis-catalans/docs/actnum_vol1_issuu" rel="nofollow"><i>Acta Numismatica</i> vol. 1</a>: pp. 83-106).</p><p><br /></p><p>But that&#039;s way too much weight to put on a coin and then not show it -- or only kinda show it: Apparently it is or was in Pangerl&#039;s collection, who runs the Museum of Roman Countermarks website / romancoins.info cited above (a great resource!), in some kind of collaboration w/ Baker (it possibly went to his coll.?).</p><p><br /></p><p>But among all the NCAPR&#039;s they show on the website, the <i>one far-and-away most important </i>specimen is absent!</p><p><br /></p><p>It is the bottom right coin in this photo from Martini-Pangerl, <b>60h, </b>a <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=dupondius+cornucop+rudder+vespasian" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=dupondius+cornucop+rudder+vespasian" rel="nofollow">FORTVNAE REDVCTI Dupondius of Vespasian</a>. It&#039;s as interesting as a UFO with an extraterrestrial pilot inside -- none of these grainy B&amp;W alien autopsy videos -- <i>please let us see your space-alien! we come in peace!</i> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie48" alt=":greyalien:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie97" alt=":vulcan:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580474[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m probably being too critical (and definitely getting off topic). Martini mentioned a second example when showing the same coin in the 2005 Italian article linked above:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580479[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve already written much more than I intended! Either way, I find it a fascinating topic &amp; window onto the history of classical numismatics. I&#039;d love to know more about that specimen or why we don&#039;t know more.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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