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<p>[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1521639, member: 26030"]Yes, i have to admit that i have no idea if the 2006 ASE was a baked potato or not. I always rely on PCGS to separate market acceptible coins for me. </p><p><br /></p><p>However the seller told me that this was "envelope toning" from a 2x2 paper coin envelope. The "tell" for him was the "V" or almost "X" pattern on the obverse -- that's where the back side flaps folded inwards and the envelope flap closed creating that X signature. The reverse of the ASE was the side that was up against the solid front of the envelope which is why the toning pattern is more solid and smoother on the reverse of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>If someone was doing this purposely, to cook the coin, they should have put the obverse of the coin up against the solid (front) side of the envelope (since obverse toning takes precedence over reverse toning in terms of market value). </p><p><br /></p><p>So did the first owner of this coin purposely put it in an envelope to tone it, maybe he did (I sure don't know!) -- but perhaps the clear envelope signature on the obverse of the coin and the fact that the owner didn't put the obverse up against the flat (front) side of the envelope, was enough evidence to PCGS that this was not intentional. (But perhaps this really only meant that the original owner didn't know what they were doing.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Six years is kind of a short span for so-called NT or market acceptable toning to develop, however not for Silver Eagles which are made up of 99.9% pure silver, which is MUCH MORE reactive than the more typical 90% silver and 10% copper alloy seen in regular US silver coinage. </p><p><br /></p><p>NT? AT? Beats me! You would need to be able to read the mind of the person that owned this coin when it toned -- and who can do that? </p><p><br /></p><p>However in PCGS plastic this has a good market for resale as there are thousands of colorfully-toned ASE collectors out there (especially PCGS slabbed ones). And this coin has the distinction of being (at least tied for) the highest PCGS-graded colorfully-toned ASE that I have ever seen. (I bet there is a colorful PCGS MS70 floating out there somewhere, but I have never seen it). In any case for those that think coins like this are easy to cook, and then get into PCGS plastic, have at it, then post your PCGS slabbed creations, I for one would love to see them! I might even buy them off you!!</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins tone because they react to the environment over time -- and copper and silver are fairly reactive metals. And if they are in contact with paper that contains sulfur, the toning can accelerate (like Matte Proof Lincolns that were wrapped in tissue paper by the mint, envelope and album toning from paper with traces of sulfur, or some coin holders (like PCI holders). Sometimes coins tone simply exposed to air and humidity.</p><p> </p><p>The whole idea of NT vs AT is really all about intention of the owner. If the toning was an accident (or not intentional), then the toning is considered NT or Market Acceptable by the TPG's. If the toning was intentional then it's considered AT. Trying to read the mind of a previous coin owner is a near impossible task. And I am sure the grading companies struggle with this issue.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1521639, member: 26030"]Yes, i have to admit that i have no idea if the 2006 ASE was a baked potato or not. I always rely on PCGS to separate market acceptible coins for me. However the seller told me that this was "envelope toning" from a 2x2 paper coin envelope. The "tell" for him was the "V" or almost "X" pattern on the obverse -- that's where the back side flaps folded inwards and the envelope flap closed creating that X signature. The reverse of the ASE was the side that was up against the solid front of the envelope which is why the toning pattern is more solid and smoother on the reverse of the coin. If someone was doing this purposely, to cook the coin, they should have put the obverse of the coin up against the solid (front) side of the envelope (since obverse toning takes precedence over reverse toning in terms of market value). So did the first owner of this coin purposely put it in an envelope to tone it, maybe he did (I sure don't know!) -- but perhaps the clear envelope signature on the obverse of the coin and the fact that the owner didn't put the obverse up against the flat (front) side of the envelope, was enough evidence to PCGS that this was not intentional. (But perhaps this really only meant that the original owner didn't know what they were doing.) Six years is kind of a short span for so-called NT or market acceptable toning to develop, however not for Silver Eagles which are made up of 99.9% pure silver, which is MUCH MORE reactive than the more typical 90% silver and 10% copper alloy seen in regular US silver coinage. NT? AT? Beats me! You would need to be able to read the mind of the person that owned this coin when it toned -- and who can do that? However in PCGS plastic this has a good market for resale as there are thousands of colorfully-toned ASE collectors out there (especially PCGS slabbed ones). And this coin has the distinction of being (at least tied for) the highest PCGS-graded colorfully-toned ASE that I have ever seen. (I bet there is a colorful PCGS MS70 floating out there somewhere, but I have never seen it). In any case for those that think coins like this are easy to cook, and then get into PCGS plastic, have at it, then post your PCGS slabbed creations, I for one would love to see them! I might even buy them off you!! Coins tone because they react to the environment over time -- and copper and silver are fairly reactive metals. And if they are in contact with paper that contains sulfur, the toning can accelerate (like Matte Proof Lincolns that were wrapped in tissue paper by the mint, envelope and album toning from paper with traces of sulfur, or some coin holders (like PCI holders). Sometimes coins tone simply exposed to air and humidity. The whole idea of NT vs AT is really all about intention of the owner. If the toning was an accident (or not intentional), then the toning is considered NT or Market Acceptable by the TPG's. If the toning was intentional then it's considered AT. Trying to read the mind of a previous coin owner is a near impossible task. And I am sure the grading companies struggle with this issue.[/QUOTE]
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