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<p>[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1229073, member: 26030"]Those are all your coins? WOW.</p><p><br /></p><p>My favorite is your 1820 ... Gorgeous!</p><p><br /></p><p>But owning a Chain Cent is a real feat :bow:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">The seller (900Fine) didn't think the 1806 Draped Bust Half was a weak strike candidate. I actually agree with him. However, I guess anything is possible. </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p>This was something else he wrote to me. (I hope he doesn't mind that I posted it, but I found his thoughts on this very interesting and I thought others might as well.) I consider Ricky one of the resident experts on such matters.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i>"Well, I was reaching. Trying to understand the Mind of PCGS is a tall order indeed! </i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i><br /></i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i>Another factor - consider the massive number of modern bullion submitted to PCGS (and NGC). Hundreds of thousands a month. Now consider the relatively small number of Draped Bust Half Dollars.</i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i><br /></i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i>How skilled are the rank-and-file graders at discerning subtleties in these old coins? How good are they at telling the difference between missing detail due to circulation wear, worn dies, greasy dies, broken dies, poor strike, and more? How good are they at funneling all those issues down into one "bottom line" grade? (A difficult task for anyone.)</i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i> </i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i>I submit that the skills of the graders have been dulled somewhat by the avalanche of mind-numbing ASEs and other moderns. What great grader would want such a job?"</i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"><i><br /></i></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff8c00"></span>Ricky made some very good points.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I wish that PCGS would send a written report with the coins (even a few sentences would be helpful) explaining why they graded the way they did. I haven't got the package back yet from PCGS (who knows maybe they did send a report! But I am not expecting anything.) We certainly pay them enough to get their opinion that a sentence or two on why they assigned what they assigned would really be enlightening.</p><p><br /></p><p>Isn't it sad that I paid the (supposedly) premier coin grading company in the world $25 for their opinion, and I am STILL left guessing on the "true grade" of the coin. Is this really a VF25? Or did they screw up? Did they think it was a weak strike? Or did they do a market upgrade because of the nice visual appeal? So here I am ... I paid my money and got my plastic slab, but ultimately I think their opinion is wrong. I just don't see any way anyone could put anything higher than an F15+ on this max. (Don't get me wrong, it's a nice problem to have to have an overgraded coin, still what I really wanted was an accurate grade!)</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, a written report would be especially helpful on coins that Did Not Cross (DNC). I wish they would tell us what they WOULD HAVE graded the coin if they weren't constrained to match the existing assigned grade. I think that all they do now is ship back the coin with a DNC and don't tell us if it did not cross due to questionable color, a lower grade, or some other factor. I don't know about you. but if I were to pay somebody $25 for an opinion, I would expect more than simply "the grade previously assigned is wrong". With feedback like that I would expect a refund of most of my $25. A company pocketing $25 and giving out 50 cents worth of information is shoddy.<span style="color: #a52a2a"></span></p><p><span style="color: #a52a2a"></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="WingedLiberty, post: 1229073, member: 26030"]Those are all your coins? WOW. My favorite is your 1820 ... Gorgeous! But owning a Chain Cent is a real feat :bow: [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]The seller (900Fine) didn't think the 1806 Draped Bust Half was a weak strike candidate. I actually agree with him. However, I guess anything is possible. [/COLOR][/LEFT] This was something else he wrote to me. (I hope he doesn't mind that I posted it, but I found his thoughts on this very interesting and I thought others might as well.) I consider Ricky one of the resident experts on such matters. [COLOR=#ff8c00][I]"Well, I was reaching. Trying to understand the Mind of PCGS is a tall order indeed! Another factor - consider the massive number of modern bullion submitted to PCGS (and NGC). Hundreds of thousands a month. Now consider the relatively small number of Draped Bust Half Dollars. How skilled are the rank-and-file graders at discerning subtleties in these old coins? How good are they at telling the difference between missing detail due to circulation wear, worn dies, greasy dies, broken dies, poor strike, and more? How good are they at funneling all those issues down into one "bottom line" grade? (A difficult task for anyone.) I submit that the skills of the graders have been dulled somewhat by the avalanche of mind-numbing ASEs and other moderns. What great grader would want such a job?" [/I] [/COLOR]Ricky made some very good points. I wish that PCGS would send a written report with the coins (even a few sentences would be helpful) explaining why they graded the way they did. I haven't got the package back yet from PCGS (who knows maybe they did send a report! But I am not expecting anything.) We certainly pay them enough to get their opinion that a sentence or two on why they assigned what they assigned would really be enlightening. Isn't it sad that I paid the (supposedly) premier coin grading company in the world $25 for their opinion, and I am STILL left guessing on the "true grade" of the coin. Is this really a VF25? Or did they screw up? Did they think it was a weak strike? Or did they do a market upgrade because of the nice visual appeal? So here I am ... I paid my money and got my plastic slab, but ultimately I think their opinion is wrong. I just don't see any way anyone could put anything higher than an F15+ on this max. (Don't get me wrong, it's a nice problem to have to have an overgraded coin, still what I really wanted was an accurate grade!) Finally, a written report would be especially helpful on coins that Did Not Cross (DNC). I wish they would tell us what they WOULD HAVE graded the coin if they weren't constrained to match the existing assigned grade. I think that all they do now is ship back the coin with a DNC and don't tell us if it did not cross due to questionable color, a lower grade, or some other factor. I don't know about you. but if I were to pay somebody $25 for an opinion, I would expect more than simply "the grade previously assigned is wrong". With feedback like that I would expect a refund of most of my $25. A company pocketing $25 and giving out 50 cents worth of information is shoddy.[COLOR=#a52a2a] [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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