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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bahabully, post: 1556236, member: 17555&quot;]Just because a coin isn&#039;t in tpg plastic doesn&#039;t make it AT... a lot of the coins I buy raw are toners... some pretty AT looking imo and some NT imo... This issue I have is that I don&#039;t think anyone can look at a toned coin and say with 100% certainty that it is AT or NT... they can only guess, or play the odds and likelyhood that the coin could have toned in the pattern presented. Essentially a decision of MA.</p><p>I&#039;ve submitted a few and the have seen some nice ones get slabbed by both pcgs and ngc.. and have had others bagged. More often bagged (I&#039;m still learning too).</p><p>I do not doctor raw white coins.. I buy from local folks and generally only by raw toners because I get just as much enjoyment from the raw versions as I do the slabbed variety.. and I don&#039;t have to pay the insain premium (although I still sometimes do).</p><p><br /></p><p>For any raw toner buyer, the question I would focus on is what is generally MA (market acceptable)... and always beware of paying a premium for raw toners. I give this advice to anyone asking me that famous &quot;is it AT or NT&quot; in any of my auctions. Generally my stuff sells cheap, and I&#039;m quite fine selling them that way as I&#039;m glad to see fellow collectors enjoy the toner hobby and amass a nice collection of toners for a fraction of the cost of buying a single slabbed toner.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the way, I have had more than one buyer pm to tell me that they have done &quot;very well&quot; buying from me and requesting off the site sales. To which I generally decline gratefully.</p><p><br /></p><p>... we should create a new post imo,, looks like we have some passion on this one... good bar fight material ; ) Maybe a post where folks can post raw toners before submission and see how good folks on this forum are predicting the MA of toned coins. The only person to date I&#039;ve seen with regularity predict grades and MA of toners is Wing, and that&#039;s with cents. Would love to see Mdude, gbroke, etc. (good guys imo) take a stab at buying a raw toner off the &#039;bay or elsewhere and seeing if they can accurately predict it&#039;s MA, post it here, and then see how it does. I&#039;ll do the same.. would be fun imo, and provide good content for new and old toner enthusiasts alike.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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