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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Valentinian, post: 4304625, member: 44316&quot;][ATTACH=full]1095232[/ATTACH] </p><p>Roman Republican denarius. 18 mm. 3.93 grams.</p><p>Janus head, M.FOVRI/ L.F, Victory crowning a trophy. Moneyer: M. Fourius L.F. Philus.</p><p>Gallic trophy for a victory in Gaul c. 121 BC.</p><p>The coin is dated to c. 119 BC.</p><p><br /></p><p>This reverse with a trophy is obviously a victory type, but which victory? The object projecting diagonally upward from the bottom of the cuirass on the trophy appears to be distinctly Gallic--a carnyx. So, it is easy to infer it refers to Gallic victory. Some earlier Republican coins referred to events in the distant past and scholars were prepared to find a similar ancestral reference for this type. Carson [p. 36] says &quot;A reference to victories over the Gauls in 223 BC of an earlier Furius Philius.&quot; Of course, if evidence is accepted that this coin was minted before the Gallic victories of 121 BC, the Gallic-victory reference could not be to those victories, so Carson thought of a different reference, one more like the typical types of previous moneyers which basically say, &quot;An ancestor of mine did something important.&quot; So the problem became one of &quot;pick the ancestor.&quot; However, if the coin seems to be issued <b>after </b>those victories of 121, it could reference them and the question becomes &quot;How long after?&quot; That same year? The next year? Ten years later? The first subsequent year when a relative of the victor was a moneyer? If Crawford is right this is the first nearly current event mentioned on denarii.</p><p><br /></p><p>For a discussion of how Roman Republican coins are assigned dates, see my pages:</p><p><a href="http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Repub/TimelineTable.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Repub/TimelineTable.html" rel="nofollow">http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Repub/TimelineTable.html</a></p><p>That page has examples. There is a second page with the theory of dating.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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