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<p>[QUOTE="Fallguy, post: 3353066, member: 84739"]Well Puddin` I'm going to have to cogitate on that for a bit as my mind just isn't as reliable as it once was; minutes of great lucidity and hours of pure chaos<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. You may have a point, but I'll have to reread your missive a few times to ferret it out. No sarcasm intended, there's just a lot going on in your message. I would note however that the production of the 64 SMS was neither a "Mint Error" nor even a "Variety" (used in a purists sense, e.g. just as one would not consider a "Proof" of a coin as a "Variety" of the Business Strike of the same type of coin) as these strikes were intentionally done by the US Mint; why they did so is another question. As such, while "Die Markers" are invaluable to "Variety" attributions, they play little or no role in defining/refining "Mint Errors", IMHO.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, in your case you are dealing with neither of these categories; you are simply trying to ascertain if the coin in your possession was struck by the same die that produced the currently known 65 SMS Quarters. In that case, identifying true die markers is valid; in fact, given the apparent absence of any other provenance, it may be the only way for you to make your case! With that in mind, concurrence of what the key markers are on the exemplar and their existence on your coin is absolute; there can be no unexplained variance and all but a very small handful of critical observers must be in agreement. Unfortunately, there are two or more problems with that. The first and most obvious is that you have the coin "in-hand" and therefore may be able to see artifacts that we can't. As a proxy, you can try to provide photos of your coin where the markers in question are clearly visible. Though you have provided numerous photo's, most or all run into problem 2, and that is that they appear to have been taken from various angles/placements, lighting conditions and possibly even different devices. Without controlling for these variables (as much as possible) to be as close to those used for the exemplar photo, well let's just say that this may be why you are seeing certain artifacts that at least some of us are not seeing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally let me say, I hope you are right, that your coin is from the original 64 SMS batch that was struck all those years ago. To me, it would be another classic (and at this point, well needed) example of, never assume anything is impossible especially in the field of numismatics! Unfortunately the issue for you is that you must prove your case beyond AND above a reasonable doubt; it is not our task to disprove it. Short of sending it to a top TPG for verification, you are submitting your evidence to some of the most qualified jurists you can find; so make sure your evidence is as complete, and absent of emotion as possible, such that "Res Ipsa Loquitur" is obtained.</p><p><br /></p><p>Semper Fidelis[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Fallguy, post: 3353066, member: 84739"]Well Puddin` I'm going to have to cogitate on that for a bit as my mind just isn't as reliable as it once was; minutes of great lucidity and hours of pure chaos:). You may have a point, but I'll have to reread your missive a few times to ferret it out. No sarcasm intended, there's just a lot going on in your message. I would note however that the production of the 64 SMS was neither a "Mint Error" nor even a "Variety" (used in a purists sense, e.g. just as one would not consider a "Proof" of a coin as a "Variety" of the Business Strike of the same type of coin) as these strikes were intentionally done by the US Mint; why they did so is another question. As such, while "Die Markers" are invaluable to "Variety" attributions, they play little or no role in defining/refining "Mint Errors", IMHO. However, in your case you are dealing with neither of these categories; you are simply trying to ascertain if the coin in your possession was struck by the same die that produced the currently known 65 SMS Quarters. In that case, identifying true die markers is valid; in fact, given the apparent absence of any other provenance, it may be the only way for you to make your case! With that in mind, concurrence of what the key markers are on the exemplar and their existence on your coin is absolute; there can be no unexplained variance and all but a very small handful of critical observers must be in agreement. Unfortunately, there are two or more problems with that. The first and most obvious is that you have the coin "in-hand" and therefore may be able to see artifacts that we can't. As a proxy, you can try to provide photos of your coin where the markers in question are clearly visible. Though you have provided numerous photo's, most or all run into problem 2, and that is that they appear to have been taken from various angles/placements, lighting conditions and possibly even different devices. Without controlling for these variables (as much as possible) to be as close to those used for the exemplar photo, well let's just say that this may be why you are seeing certain artifacts that at least some of us are not seeing. Finally let me say, I hope you are right, that your coin is from the original 64 SMS batch that was struck all those years ago. To me, it would be another classic (and at this point, well needed) example of, never assume anything is impossible especially in the field of numismatics! Unfortunately the issue for you is that you must prove your case beyond AND above a reasonable doubt; it is not our task to disprove it. Short of sending it to a top TPG for verification, you are submitting your evidence to some of the most qualified jurists you can find; so make sure your evidence is as complete, and absent of emotion as possible, such that "Res Ipsa Loquitur" is obtained. Semper Fidelis[/QUOTE]
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