Possible fake slab on Etsy.

They have another 1893-S for sale now.

 

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https://acefonline.org/counterfeit-alert/report-a-counterfeit/

 

Is this a fake from CoinCreed?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/822193...allery-1-5&organic_search_click=1&frs=1&cns=1

I see the "1" in relation to the dentil looks the same as the other fake. Any other indications?

 

The lettering is bad? Please explain, because I can't see the difference. I thought I did at first, but then realized it was a matter of one coin being closer to the camera than the other. And what's wrong with the paper?

 

Me too. I've learned something today. That's what I like about this forum. I learn stuff that keeps me out of trouble.

 

Look at the two slabs where the label says "1893-S". The fake one's "3" is messed up and running into the dash. Look how clean it is on the real slab.

 

Yeah, I see it now. But I had also noticed (finally) that the numbers looked odd.

 

All of her wares are fake

 

What’s up with the 9 in the date? To me, that would’ve been a red flag.

 

Can you elaborate? I'm not seeing a difference off hand.

 

Looks like there’s a tail of extra metal on the fake coin.

 

A site like Wish is probably where they get their junk from. The coins she sells on Etsy are not even good fakes. For $13.87 you can this, sell them and make a mint.

 

I wrote to the anti-counterfeiting place that some one here mentioned. I actually got a response! See below.


Thank you for filling out the report. Do you know how you identified the seller or how to look up other coins he may currently have up for sale. Did you buy a coin from this seller? If so do you have a return address/name?

Thanks again.

Doug Davis
Anti-Counterfeiting Educational Foundation, Inc.
Director, Anti-Counterfeiting
Coordinator, Anti-Counterfeiting Task Force
(Chief of Police Ret.)

Mobile: 817-723-7231
Website: www.acefonline.org
Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 14080, Arlington, Texas 76094

 

Hi Beefer518, you say "only one die used for the 1893-S"
Can you tell me how you know this?
So if that wasn't true, if maybe more than one die was used, then the "1" over the dentil wouldn't be a good way to tell it's a counterfeit?
Most coins have more than one die used, right?

Also, what metal do you think they use for these counterfeits?

 

@Beefer518 may have another source but an article in Coin World magazine by Michael Fahey states only 1 Obverse and 2 Reverse dies were used in producing the 1893-S Morgan dollar. When I get home I'll try to pull up the article and post a link. It also gives other markers to identify counterfeit 93 S Morgans.

 

Why were they targeting that coin?
Is there a source where all coins indicate dies used?

 

1893 S is called by many the "King of the Morgan Dollar series". It's a key coin with a low mintage of 100,000.
Another member on a different thread said you can look up how many dies were used for every coin each year is in the US Mint records at the National Archives. If that's a true fact, the only 2 places that I know of where you can check in person is Washington DC and New York City.

 

@Rick B - Not sure where/when I first learned that, but it is a commonly known bit of trivia about the 1893-S Morgan. While the marker of the 1 centered above the dentil is one way to verify the coin, the first thing I look for when looking at a '93-S is the letter T, and the left base of the R, in liberty. there are chips/polish lines that is present on every 93-S, and because of their locations, it is almost impossible for them to be worn off/out, and incredibly difficult to be duplicated.

Here's an article from NGC about counterfeit detection of the 93-S.

And this is one source about number of obverse (1) and reverse (2) dies used, as well as a repeat of the NGC article.

Knowing the die marker(s) saved me many thousands once when I was at an auction house. Coin ended up being a fake/altered coin, and I was able to prove to the house based on the information out there.

 

The '93-S has been target for decades. It's a highly valuable coin in any grade, and worth in the thousands in any grade above G4. I'm sure many people lost a lot of money buying fake/altered/counterfeit 93-S's, and many more will as time goes on (unfortunately).

 

Oh... and one other indicator that it's fake - it's on etsy!