Possible fake slab on Etsy.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Malleus Maleficarum, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. Malleus Maleficarum

    Malleus Maleficarum Well-Known Member

    I've been following this horrific seller of fake coins on Etsy for a while. Now they seem to be stepping up a little. They have a Morgan 1892-S XF 40 in a PCGS slab. Here's a picture of the suspected fake.

    Here's another Morgan, same listed condition from a David Lawrence Rare Coins auction.
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    To me the suspected fake looks shady at best. On the slab, the fonts are different and the printing quality looks poor.

    Perhaps PCGS should know about this. What do you guys think?
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  3. Malleus Maleficarum

    Malleus Maleficarum Well-Known Member

    Rev of both coins.

    Shady seller.
    David Lawrence Rare Coins

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  4. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    IMHO, I doubt PCGS would care. :dead:
  5. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    The coin has numerous problems and is a fake for sure.(ex: the 1 is not over a dentil). Ditto for the slab, the lettering in the insert is bad and some of the paper characteristics wrong as well. I don't know enough about the different plastic slabs to comment on that aspect.
  6. Malleus Maleficarum

    Malleus Maleficarum Well-Known Member

    I'm sending the info to PCGS. It will be in their court if they want to do anything about it. From what I've seen so far, the people who can actually do something, don't seem to care.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
  7. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow can just never understand why people with seemingly decent skills or talents decide to go the crooked way. Would not one sleep better doing or making things for people to enjoy and admire in a legitimate way?
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  8. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Supporter! Supporter

    IMO the fake one looks a lot better than XF-40 (If it were real).
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  9. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    The fake looks like a details cleaned to me ? If was real of course which is also a way to hide fakes
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The OP is a fake. As anther posted noted, the “1” in the date and the dentile that is supposed to be under it don’t line up properly. There is also a die scratch through the “T” in “LIBERTY” that is probably missing, but you would need a super close-up photo to spot that. I didn’t see it when I blew up the picture with my iPad.
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  11. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    A 'fake' on Etsy. I'm shocked!
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I think some people take a certain level of satisfaction in besting safeguards, whether it be with via shoplifting, ransomware, government benefits fraud, counterfeiting, insurance fraud . . . you name it.

    There's something inherently insecure about their desire to impress others with how they can cheat the system, while unjustly enriching themselves at the same time. They may not confide their evil deeds to many but I suspect that, in most cases, the few closest to them are probably the only one's whose admiration they care to gain.
  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Agree that it's fake. Worth noting, though, that at least they got the barcode right on this one -- it scans as the same number that's printed on the slab.
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  14. Rick B

    Rick B Well-Known Member

    Good eye. I need to learn. Can you elaborate on "the 1 is not over a dentil"?
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  15. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Fake, but some unsuspecting poor sole with little knowledge will eventually purchase the coin put it away not knowing the truth until?
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  16. Rick B

    Rick B Well-Known Member

    Until he dies and never knew. Or until he tries to sell it.
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  17. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Right Rick
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  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    They actually care a whole lot
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  19. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    I mad the mistake of purchasing a roll of mixed UNC lincoln pre-59 for my grandson and when I got them I of course examined them and there was not ONE coin graded unc. Spent the better part of 3 weeks attempting to get a refund - still waiting. ETSY has NO control and it is a harbor for thieves.
    Semper Fi
  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I believe it has been found that counterfeiters and con men (and women) are highly intelligent individuals that enjoy the challenge of beating the system. If they put the energy they spent on doing the illegal things, towards legal goals, they would be well known multi-millionaires. A fine line for sure.
  21. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Yes, Meow has noticed that too. Maybe it is a mental defect of some sort.
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