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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Kevin Mader, post: 3970964, member: 106826&quot;]I think that&#039;s a generally fair statement as the common factor as the dies progress through their different die states is the doubling itself.&nbsp; Markers will change over time, some remaining for the life of the tool, some disappearing, and new ones appearing.&nbsp; That said, for the minor varieties, the doubling itself can be obscured by circulation wear or damage leaving the markers as the definitive characteristics to attribute a specimen.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I feel that to a certain degree you are right as it can be a double bladed sword.&nbsp; This particular variety (1981 DDO) requires a EDS and near uncirculated coin to see the split in the tail of the 9.&nbsp; Without markers, attribution might be nearly impossible.&nbsp; For the other variety (1981 DDR), the same is true.&nbsp; Because of the minor doubling involved, clean specimens and fine photos are needed to help perform diagnostics.&nbsp; Unfortunately, Kyle&#039;s photos aren&#039;t quite crisp enough to make the firm diagnostic.&nbsp; On the broader topic, I feel that variety hunting has added to our hobby in a mostly positive way.&nbsp; While there is a down side to most anything, I think that folks learning to become variety collectors creates renewed interest for coin collecting and has us looking closer at the money running through our fingers.&nbsp; Limits are being tested, like the innumerable DDRs in the reverses of the pressed coins.&nbsp; A broader grouping/classification, perhaps as some have done for BIE cents, should be used rather than spending endless hours wondering if your coin is the one listed.&nbsp; Maybe that happens...or maybe it doesn&#039;t.</p><p><br /></p><p>Kyle - based on your new photos, I don&#039;t see anything in particular that substantiates that you are holding onto a doubled die coin.&nbsp; We would need photos that mimic what Wexler has posted in order to bear out a better response for you.&nbsp; Your coin could be from a different die state, so as pointed out, unless you can establish the doubling, markers wouldn&#039;t be a help.&nbsp; In your original post, it wasn&#039;t clear to me what doubling you thought you were seeing.&nbsp; Luckily, only one DDO and one DDR are listed, so figuring out one or the other wasn&#039;t a terrible burden.&nbsp; Had it been for a popular DD date, that would make a task undesirable.&nbsp; From your later posts, it seems you think you have the DDR specimen.&nbsp; I feel the most important diagnostic will be the scratches in the Y on the obverse.&nbsp; Look there, and take crisp photos of that and the FG initials.&nbsp; The T in CENT would also be helpful to me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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