Pop Out Morgan Dollar - Authentic or not?

I sold this on ebay. Buyer says it's fake, wants refund.

What do you think, is it fake?

 

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OH WOW!! It's the rare 1921 high relief obverse - low relief reverse Morgan!!!!!!!!!!

 

Well, I don't think it's a Morgan Dollar.

 

Yes, that's the one!

 

Maybe I should get it graded?

 

Who could slab that??

 

You are kidding me? I thought these were privately made?

 

A coin with a head on it??? Kind of creepy...

 

Yep - there's only one good kind of head - (get your minds out of the gutter) - the one on a fine draft beer!!!!

 

How do they do that ?

 

It looks wrong. It may simply be that it has unusual features for a repousse, but it may also be that it is a modern made piece with modern metal work.

 

Both of you (seller & buyer) should have your head examined. You can't prove it's real, and he can't prove it's fake.

Chris

 

And if the buyer bothered to look at photos and make sure he knew what he's buying, why act like a dummy when receiving it? Food for thought....

 

The buyer is an idiot.

Of course it is post mint, if he/she thought otherwise then they should be banned from buying coins-- for life.

Or they should get a life.

What did your lot description say?

 

Of course it's post mint, the buyer knows that. Question is, is it a real Morgan Dollar that was pressed/punched to look like that?

 

To me it looks completely fine. It might have been worn as a pendant and cleaned, or even plated on top. Weight is a bit over 27 grams, which is a bit over what a regular Morgan should weigh, but since it's pressed, it's normal not to weigh exactly 26.7 grams like a regular Morgan.

 

This is the way I see it:

No one would fake a 1921 Morgan Dollar in silver. Why the trouble to make a silver coin that is worth close to melt anyways? Fake it in a cheap alloy, yes, but not in silver.

So, if this coin is made of 90% silver, then it is a genuine repousse coin. I will have it back in few days and test it. It is worn anyways, a large portion of rim does not have the reeds anymore, since it was in a pendant, so there's no damaging the coin.

These repousse coins sell for huge premiums, I have seen repousse Morgans sell for $100+.

 

No basis to judge authenticity of the underlying coin from here, but I have to wonder where the extra weight 0.3+ grams would have come from on a worn coin. Perhaps the buyer's conclusion as to authenticity (whether or not it's correct) is based on it being heavy. Are there cast repoussé coins out there? There was recently a book on these released that may shed more light on it. Tell the buyer you'll accept the return, but ask why he thinks it's fake. If he's a jerk about it, just block the buyer, offer his ID to interested parties, and move on.

 

Yeah - this 1880 is on Ebay for 95.95$, has nice detail though.




http://www.ebay.com/itm/1880-MORGAN-SILVER-DOLLAR-POPOUT-REPOUSSE-PUNCHED-PRESSED-3D-UNIQUE-COIN-LOCKET-/311270949038

 

Great post. Of course I have accepted the return, coins is on its way back.

Buyer says it looks like pewter/lead and that it looks cast. I am not an expert on how these are made, but how can you cast something like that? I think you don't just take a regular coin, put it in a machine, and that's it, here's your repousse coin. I think there's more to it, some added material. Also, since it was used as a pendant, lots of reeds are missing, I think some added material over there also. Might have also been plated at some time.