POLL: PCGS vs. NGC vs. ANACS vs. ICG

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by halfdfanboy, May 13, 2010.

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Pick your fravorite Grader

Poll closed May 18, 2010.
  1. NGC

    48 vote(s)
    64.0%
  2. IGC

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  3. PCGS

    24 vote(s)
    32.0%
  4. ANACS

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. Mad.Outcast

    Mad.Outcast New Member

    it is a fact,if you know how to grade coins.:thumb:
     
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  3. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    Noobish question that I know the answer however I want to make sure that what I am thinking is correct.

    When you state buy the coin and not the slab, you are referring to the pay for grade of the coin and not just pay a premium because it's slabbed NGC/PCGS, correct?

    As for choice...I really don't care which company does it as long as I can get a coin I am after for a reasonable price. In other words, if I can get a 1940 Lincoln Cent in MS65 for $25 (throwing the price out there) on an NGC slab and the exact same one on PCGS for $30, then I am going to go with NGC. THe prices should be the same no matter what grading company is n my mind. (hope that doesnt sound ignornant/naive).

    -Shrek
     
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Unfortunately, there are too many elitists who think that PCGS is the "be all, end all" of the grading services. That's fine with me! I'm glad that I can buy an NGC coin that is totally identical to it's counterpart in a PCGS slab for less money. I don't buy the coin for the slab. I buy the slab for the coin.

    So, if we're talking about resale, and you're at a dealer's table at a show where he has an 1885CC $ PCGS MS65 for $1300 and an identical 1885CC NGC MS65 for $1175, which would you buy?

    Chris
     
  5. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"




    You wont have the cost if you submit them yourself!! And you
    Will be able to sell them for more!!:secret:
     
  6. Mad.Outcast

    Mad.Outcast New Member

    I would look at the coin,and If I wanted a "real" MS65,chances are after looking at the coin,I would take the PCGS coin.If you put 2 coins side by side,and know how to grade accurately.you will see the difference.
     
  7. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    Our you considering resale value here?
     
  8. Farstaff

    Farstaff Member

    I agree, when buying Franklins with Full Bell lines, NGC has tougher standards for the FBL than PCGS.
     
  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Edited!

    Sorry, Doug!

    Chris
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Try it for yourself sometime at a big show. You might be surprised.

    Chris
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    First thing you do is forget about the slabs. Then you consider which coin is the nicer of the two. Who graded it doesn't have anything to do with it. Why ? Because not all MS65's are equal to begin with. It could be that the NGC coin is nicer, and it could be that the PCGS coin is nicer. So you buy the nicer coin - not the plastic.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And what do you do when you put 2 PCGS MS65 coins side by side and you see the difference ?
     
  13. Mad.Outcast

    Mad.Outcast New Member


    I stop posting in this thread,as it is pointless.:headbang:

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  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Doug, I realize that in real life it would be all but impossible to find two coins completely identical, but I inserted that to illustrate a specific point.

    The only time I ever buy a coin because of the slab is when there is a mistake or omission on the insert, but then, I wouldn't be buying it if it wasn't for the coin.

    Chris
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I knew what you menat Chris. But many would read it to mean identical grades, not necessarily identical condition.
     
  16. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    Ditto!!:desk:
     
  17. The Virginian

    The Virginian Senior Member


    I am down on PCGS because they got rid of their copper coin color guarantee and reduced their liability for coins they screw up on. NGC and ICG are my favorites now, all things being equal and the coin is properly graded.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Why ? Do you think that all PCGS MS65 coins are equal or something ? They aren't. Even PCGS freely admits they are not all equal.

    You said you wanted to talk about facts, so let's talk about facts. Fact - in simple terms you have 3 grades within each grade A, B, C. Even CAC recognizes this.

    Fact - a PCGS C coin will often be inferior to an NGC A or B coin. Sometimes a PCGS B coin is inferior to an NGC B coin. Sometimes a PCGS A coin is inferior to an NGC A coin. The opposite can also be true in each case. Yet every one of those coins all has the same grade.

    Now these are facts. Do you dispute them ?
     
  19. The Virginian

    The Virginian Senior Member

    This is true for all grading of coins even when a TPG is not involved. Techical grade and superior for the grade are tow different things and the market/auctions reflect this.
     
  20. Mad.Outcast

    Mad.Outcast New Member

    Your grading skills be stronger

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  21. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Hence the sentence:

    And you are right that you won't have the additional premium of buying a PCGS slab. But what you will have is the grading cost and the cost of all the mistakes that raw collectors make (problem coins, overgrading etc.). In the end, only the most astute collector will have the advantage assembling raw collections.

    I have always wondered something. Your knowledge regarding paper money and MPC's is at a very high level. From what I understand, PCGS is the clear leader in the grading of paper notes. Are you projecting your experience in the paper money world onto the coin world?
     
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