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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 3142775, member: 83845"]Welcome to Round 1 of CIT 2018! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun on the following link:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it’s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]803546[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I want to give a special thank you to the participants for volunteering to play the game. We have a great group of people here at CT.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="6"><u><b>#8 [USER=44132]@Bing[/USER] </b></u></font></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]803547[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3">MARCUS ANTONIUS</font></p><p><font size="3">AR Denarius </font></p><p><font size="3">OBVERSE: ANT AVG III VIR R P C, Praetorian galley, thyrsos behind prow </font></p><p><font size="3">REVERSE: CHORTIS SPECVLATORVM, three legionary standards </font></p><p><font size="3">Patrae 32-31 BC </font></p><p><font size="3">3.52g, 18.mm </font></p><p><font size="3">Cr544/12; Syd 1214</font></p><p><font size="3">ex. Marti Classical Numismatics</font></p><p><br /></p><p><u><b>Pirce:</b></u> $575</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Why It’s Cool:</u></b></p><p>Although completely retired, I have a soft spot for this particular Legionary. In another lifetime, I was a DoD Counterintelligence Agent with the job of protecting US interests through Operational Security, much as Speculatores of old.</p><p><br /></p><p>LEGIO COHORTIS SPECVLATORVM</p><p>A mounted cohort of scouts who were placed on an elevated part of Mark Antony's ships. This is in harmony with the Numiswiki entry:</p><p><br /></p><p>"Speculator, derived from specula, a prospect that is to say a view from the summit of a place, whence anything may be seen advantageously at a distance. - Thus a cohort of this description (Speculatorum Cohors) was established by M. Anthony, that they, from an elevated part of his ships, might explore and act as sentries or watchmen. There were other acceptations of the word, such as spies and even executioners."</p><p><br /></p><p>David Sear in his book "The History and Coinage of the Roman Imperators" says that ten "speculatores" were normally assigned to each legion but Antony actually formed a separate cohort of them to carry out his personal instructions. On Antony's coinage for the Speculatores the three standards are shown with two wreaths and a miniature depiction of the prow of a galley which refers to the specialized role as look outs on the ships. This look out or turret is a "specula" in latin.</p><p><br /></p><p>After Actium Augustus incorperated the mounted Speculatores into the praetorian guard and charged them with the protecting of the Emperor's person.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]803553[/ATTACH] </p><p><i><font size="3">Relief depecting the Battle of Actium between Augustus and Marcus Antonius (<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/carolemage/14464636449" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/carolemage/14464636449" rel="nofollow">Flickr</a>)</font></i></p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="6"><span style="color: #808080"><u><b>#25 [USER=75937]@Roman Collector[/USER]</b></u></span></font></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]803548[/ATTACH] </p><p><font size="3">Nerva, AD 96-98</font></p><p><font size="3">Roman AR denarius, 16 mm, 3.39 g</font></p><p><font size="3">Rome, Oct-Dec AD 97</font></p><p><font size="3">Obv: IMP NERVA CAES AVG P M TR P II COS III P P, laureate head right</font></p><p><font size="3">Rev: IVSTITIA AVGVST: Justitia, draped, seated right on low backed chair, feet on stool, holding long straight scepter in right and branch extended in left</font></p><p><font size="3">Refs: RIC 30; Cohen 103.</font></p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Price:</u></b> $83</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Why It’s Cool:</u></b></p><p>Why the coin was a bargain: It was a sleeper coin from a new auction firm holding its first auction. It was misidentified by the dealer as the much more common RIC-6. A minor-league auction with a coin misidentified as a run-of-the mill denarius of a rather uninteresting emperor.</p><p><br /></p><p>What makes it interesting: This denarius of Nerva can be dated on the basis of its obverse inscription to October through December, AD 97, after he started his second tribunician power but before assuming his fourth consulship. You may read more about dating the three issues of Nerva with the IVSTITIA AVGVST reverse type <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/do-you-have-any-coins-you-can-narrowly-date.313179/#post-3027923" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/do-you-have-any-coins-you-can-narrowly-date.313179/#post-3027923">here</a>. From RIC:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]803555[/ATTACH] </p><p>There are few other examples to be found online or in the major collections. No examples are to be found at Wildwinds, coinproject.com, coin archives (free version), Online Coins of the Roman Empire (OCRE), Sear 5th ed., the British Museum collection, or CNG archives. None for sale at V-coins. It is attested by Cohen and is therefore in the Bibliotheque National in Paris.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have only found three other examples on the web after an exhaustive search: <a href="http://www.pegasionline.com/buybid.asp?cat=871&curPage=4#null" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.pegasionline.com/buybid.asp?cat=871&curPage=4#null" rel="nofollow">Pegasi buy-or-bid sale 153, lot 350</a>, February 27, 2018 for $425; <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3887461" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3887461" rel="nofollow">Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG Auction 100, lot 1835</a>, May 29, 2017 for $280; <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1049236" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1049236" rel="nofollow">Auktionshaus H. D. Rauch GmbH 10th eAuction, lot 305</a>, July 14, 2011 for $169.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Pegasi coin is an obverse and reverse die-match to mine:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]803556[/ATTACH]</p><p>But the Rauch and NAC coins were struck from different obverse and reverse dies from each other and from my coin, so there were at least three of each die used for the issue.</p><p><br /></p><p>Why this one is a contender: It illustrates a brief period -- a few months at most -- in the titulature and history of Nerva. It's obviously scarce, if not rare. It was a bargain, obtained for a fraction of the cost of the three other examples sold since 1999.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p><p>Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the floor to comments, pile-ons and shameless lobbying.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also... have fun.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 3142775, member: 83845"]Welcome to Round 1 of CIT 2018! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun on the following link: [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/[/url] [ATTACH=full]803546[/ATTACH] I want to give a special thank you to the participants for volunteering to play the game. We have a great group of people here at CT. [CENTER]............................................................[/CENTER] [SIZE=6][U][B]#8 [USER=44132]@Bing[/USER] [/B][/U][/SIZE] [ATTACH=full]803547[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3]MARCUS ANTONIUS AR Denarius OBVERSE: ANT AVG III VIR R P C, Praetorian galley, thyrsos behind prow REVERSE: CHORTIS SPECVLATORVM, three legionary standards Patrae 32-31 BC 3.52g, 18.mm Cr544/12; Syd 1214 ex. Marti Classical Numismatics[/SIZE] [U][B]Pirce:[/B][/U] $575 [B][U]Why It’s Cool:[/U][/B] Although completely retired, I have a soft spot for this particular Legionary. In another lifetime, I was a DoD Counterintelligence Agent with the job of protecting US interests through Operational Security, much as Speculatores of old. LEGIO COHORTIS SPECVLATORVM A mounted cohort of scouts who were placed on an elevated part of Mark Antony's ships. This is in harmony with the Numiswiki entry: "Speculator, derived from specula, a prospect that is to say a view from the summit of a place, whence anything may be seen advantageously at a distance. - Thus a cohort of this description (Speculatorum Cohors) was established by M. Anthony, that they, from an elevated part of his ships, might explore and act as sentries or watchmen. There were other acceptations of the word, such as spies and even executioners." David Sear in his book "The History and Coinage of the Roman Imperators" says that ten "speculatores" were normally assigned to each legion but Antony actually formed a separate cohort of them to carry out his personal instructions. On Antony's coinage for the Speculatores the three standards are shown with two wreaths and a miniature depiction of the prow of a galley which refers to the specialized role as look outs on the ships. This look out or turret is a "specula" in latin. After Actium Augustus incorperated the mounted Speculatores into the praetorian guard and charged them with the protecting of the Emperor's person. [ATTACH=full]803553[/ATTACH] [I][SIZE=3]Relief depecting the Battle of Actium between Augustus and Marcus Antonius ([URL='https://www.flickr.com/photos/carolemage/14464636449']Flickr[/URL])[/SIZE][/I] [CENTER]............................................................[/CENTER] [SIZE=6][COLOR=#808080][U][B]#25 [USER=75937]@Roman Collector[/USER][/B][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE] [ATTACH=full]803548[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3]Nerva, AD 96-98 Roman AR denarius, 16 mm, 3.39 g Rome, Oct-Dec AD 97 Obv: IMP NERVA CAES AVG P M TR P II COS III P P, laureate head right Rev: IVSTITIA AVGVST: Justitia, draped, seated right on low backed chair, feet on stool, holding long straight scepter in right and branch extended in left Refs: RIC 30; Cohen 103.[/SIZE] [B][U]Price:[/U][/B] $83 [B][U]Why It’s Cool:[/U][/B] Why the coin was a bargain: It was a sleeper coin from a new auction firm holding its first auction. It was misidentified by the dealer as the much more common RIC-6. A minor-league auction with a coin misidentified as a run-of-the mill denarius of a rather uninteresting emperor. What makes it interesting: This denarius of Nerva can be dated on the basis of its obverse inscription to October through December, AD 97, after he started his second tribunician power but before assuming his fourth consulship. You may read more about dating the three issues of Nerva with the IVSTITIA AVGVST reverse type [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/do-you-have-any-coins-you-can-narrowly-date.313179/#post-3027923']here[/URL]. From RIC: [ATTACH=full]803555[/ATTACH] There are few other examples to be found online or in the major collections. No examples are to be found at Wildwinds, coinproject.com, coin archives (free version), Online Coins of the Roman Empire (OCRE), Sear 5th ed., the British Museum collection, or CNG archives. None for sale at V-coins. It is attested by Cohen and is therefore in the Bibliotheque National in Paris. I have only found three other examples on the web after an exhaustive search: [URL='http://www.pegasionline.com/buybid.asp?cat=871&curPage=4#null']Pegasi buy-or-bid sale 153, lot 350[/URL], February 27, 2018 for $425; [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3887461']Numismatica Ars Classica NAC AG Auction 100, lot 1835[/URL], May 29, 2017 for $280; [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1049236']Auktionshaus H. D. Rauch GmbH 10th eAuction, lot 305[/URL], July 14, 2011 for $169. The Pegasi coin is an obverse and reverse die-match to mine: [ATTACH=full]803556[/ATTACH] But the Rauch and NAC coins were struck from different obverse and reverse dies from each other and from my coin, so there were at least three of each die used for the issue. Why this one is a contender: It illustrates a brief period -- a few months at most -- in the titulature and history of Nerva. It's obviously scarce, if not rare. It was a bargain, obtained for a fraction of the cost of the three other examples sold since 1999. [CENTER]............................................................ [/CENTER] Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the floor to comments, pile-ons and shameless lobbying. Also... have fun.[/QUOTE]
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