Poll: 1881s morgan blazer

Oddly enough I own a ms64 1881s pcgs-
This particular coin looks pretty good for the grade therefore i believe it would cac...>>
Coin man would you do the honors of a side by side comparison for us?

 

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Heres a 65 for your viewing and debating experience. I believe this is just your average 65.Though for a philly coin it looks pretty good. Notice the amount of scratches and such on the obverse

 

I voted 64 but now i'm not sure almost looks like it has an improper cleaning at some point in its life. I would say maybe a 64 but more likely a 63 IMO. I wouldn't waste the money having it graded if I were you.

 

Here is mine for comparison

 

Given that 1881s may be the easiest date to obtain reasonably in high gem condition, your coin looks like a 63 to me--it one pushed it perhaps a very low grade 64. The fields have too much chatter for a date that TPGs are brutal on, due to the high number that have survived in high level uncirculated condition.

 

On that date, absolutely. There is more than just one scuff mark.

 

Morgan dude, would you say that the slabbed 64 i posted looks better than the OP coin then? Or is it an illusion created by the tpg?

 

Here are comparison photos( thx coinman )
The op coin and the pcgs ms64
Which coin would you buy?? Does one look better than the other or do these coins appear to be equals?

 

64 and have seen plenty with nice clean cheeks

 

64 because of the field hits. 81-S are typically very flashy and well struck. If you want to buy a single MS67 Morgan dollar, 81-S gives you the most opportunity for doing so.

 

Well the way i see it, this makes for an interesting debate and I recall seeing a pcgs photograde chart that shows the cheek, the date and breast feathers as the main focal points on a morgan. If those areas are as clean as the op coin then i could imagine a high grade being assigned by a tpg but since its an 81s it wont make the gem grade. Interesting, very very interesting.

 

MS-65 for the 1881o (the coin on the left).

 

I will ask several of all of you the same type question. On your MS65, what would you call the mark on the tip of the nose by the nostril ? Is it an area that at one time was "rubbed" against something? Just wanting to learn more. Thanks .

 

I posted this question to another person on the site. With your MS66+, there is an area at the bottom of the neck that I would call a "rub" mark. This looks to be an area where at one time it was brushed against something. Can you explain it to me. Just wanting to learn more. Thanks.

 

For both of your questions it appears to be the same answer. On a morgan dollar you will get areas that came in contact with the other coins in a $1000 bag. They took long train rides and some of these marks look like teeth while others are just areas that look dark because the luster is gone. It all depends what angle the adjacent coin comes in contact with the original

 

Ok ive decided not to lie down, im waiting to hear your opinions. Here is a negative side by side photo to show chatter on my coin versus the pcgs ms65 above. What coin looks better to you? The left one or the right one? Do they look equal?
Credit goes to coinman for the images

 

Would not a higher grade coin be the one that has the so called, and if I'm right, called the ' wagon wheel effect'. Is that the right term, where as you rock the coin back and forth you get the effect of the spokes of the wagon wheel ?

 

I would go for the Morgan on the left because the the quality of the picture but because you have two pictures the one on the right would be a higher grade, right ?

 

Yes its called the cart wheel effect, and mint state morgan dollars will have this. Unless its a dmpl,deeply toned, or has bowl luster like some of the concave obverse (vams) morgans ive seen.I suppose u could call it wagon wheel effect. To sum up this is how some people judge a morgan dollar by its luster

 

Yep one on left is raw w a concensus of 64 look at the poll. The one on right is a 65