Pointy Thing on a Small Greek AE - Help, Please.

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  1. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I just got this little Greek AE in a lot and I am having trouble even getting started, since I can't figure out what that is on the reverse. Spear head? Garden gnome?

    This is 15 mm diameter and kind of thick, weighing in at 5.50 grams.

    Uknown - Pointy Thing AE lot Jun 2020 (0).jpg

    Thank you.
     
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  3. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Just throwing an idea in...Maybe the reverse is upside down and its depicting some sort of Vessel/Amphora?
     
  4. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Spaniard. It could be an amphora - one of those pointy ones. You can see what might be straps around it.

    Here it is, other-side-up:

    Uknown - Pointy Thing AE lot Jun 2020 (0rev).jpg
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The hairstyle of the obverse person could be that of Dionysos, making an amphora a logical pairing. The hairstyle is also frequently shown on Apollo... so an arrow works well with that.

    Garden gnome would be awesome though :D.
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Hmmm... I do have a Garden Gnome, but not sure if we are even close...

    upload_2020-6-14_8-40-0.png
    Troas Birytis
    350-300 BCE
    Æ 9mm 1.21g
    Hd Kabeiros L pileos -
    two stars above Club within wreath
    SNG Cop 249 Left
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Then the SHAPE of the Reverse(?) reminded me of a Xoanon... mine are a pair, but I am sure some were depicted singly.

    I know my posts are NOT your coin, however, just thinking of what the devices could be.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoanon

    upload_2020-6-14_8-45-21.png
    Campania CAPUA AE Semuncia 216-211 BCE Juno Xoanon Hannibal capital Italia SCARCE
     
  8. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I learned by experience that when a coin is very worn, we can imagine or expect anything.
     
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  9. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for your help. I was amused when Alegandron said it reminded him of a Xoanon, as that is a word I did not think existed in our galaxy. I learn something new every day.

    Wikipedia:

    "A xoanon (/ˈzoʊ. ənɒn/ ( listen), Greek: ξόανον; plural: ξόανα xoana, from the verb ξέειν, xeein, to carve or scrape [wood]) was an Archaic wooden cult image of Ancient Greece. Classical Greeks associated such cult objects, whether aniconic or effigy, with the legendary Daedalus."

    And in fact the pointy thing on my coin does look like a xoanon - I haven't found a match yet, but it opens up a new line of inquiry.
     
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  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I took a quick pass through the plates of Anson's Numismata Graeca and didn't see anything like it in the amphora section or in the arrow/spear section :(.
     
  11. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you TIF, I appreciate the effort. My library being what it is (isn't), I am ransacking acsearch and Google Image. And my Coin Talk support group. :woot:
     
  12. shanxi

    shanxi Well-Known Member

  13. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @shanxi.....That looks like it to me....GOOD CALL!
     
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  14. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Possibly Lycian. Here's a somewhat similar example on a larger flan.

    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3011034

    3011034.m.jpg

    And another quiver
    Lycia3.jpg Lycia Ae11 bow and quiver
    Obv: Laureate head of Apollo right
    Rev: LUKIWN / Bow and quiver within incuse square
    11 mm.
     
  15. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Maybe - Macedonia, Thessalonica
    image.jpg
     
  16. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

  17. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for you assistance with this coin! You are all great and I greatly appreciate your efforts.

    Indeed, as shanxi and others note, I do believe I see a quiver here, and not a garden gnome. There is a bit of legend left on mine that I believe is part of ΘEΣΣAΛO-NIKEΩN for Thessalonica. I plan on staring at if for another hour to so and see what I can make out.

    Again, thank you all.
     
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