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<p>[QUOTE="Vegas Vic, post: 1990331, member: 58810"]Other thread</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Call me out on anything you want. This is America if it makes you happy go for it. But I stand behind what i say. And what I have consistently said is that dealers at shows <b>in general </b>appear to me to have a higher margin then online coin sales that if I hunt around and turn over every rock.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also, you can keep your mutually acceptable price to your self. As I said above market pressure will push the margins down as time goes down.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am absolutely only interested in buying nice coins. I have no interest in developing any relationships with anyone. Now despite that I have some really good ones I've made with online guys. After you buy a couple high end coins I guess they want to know you. So ironically I have even made relationships despite the fact that I have no primary interest in developing them.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now Doug is going to read this and tell me i could get an even better price by developing a relationship. Since price is all I'm concerned with. Good response and I respect it. He is telling me I can achieve my goals better with a different methodology. So I'll respond to what I feel is a good point to make.</p><p><br /></p><p>My response is I think I'm doing very well now my way. And I'm not interested in paying higher prices today to maybe get a deal tomorrow. Just a personal choice.</p><p><br /></p><p>So getting back to dealers. To be honest I don't care about their expenses. I don't care about them needing to make a living. I only care about buying nice coins at the best prices. If a dealer makes money great. But it is none of my concern how much or little a dealer makes on a transaction, a statement Doug has made to others.</p><p><br /></p><p>If I want to buy a nice car I have to pay more then a normal car. I also understand that better coins sell for more then grey or list. But I only want to pay as little as possible acknowledging it won't be the same price as a generic white non special coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't care about anyone selling me any product. When I buy a car I don't want a relationship with the car dealer. I just want the best price on the nicest car. When I go to costco and buy a tv I don't want to get to know the checkout clerk nor do I care if Costco can cover their costs. Maybe yesterday people needed to care about their coin dealer. But in today's world I see it as unnecessary. I'm not "just interested in dollars and cents". I'm interested in coins, buying nice coins and paying as little as possible. I care as little about the coin dealer and their business as the car dealer and costco. If they go out of business the coins don't evaporate and I'll just buy from the next guy.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is America. I want the best item for the lowest price. That's the American way just like baseball and apple pie. I am not ashamed nor embarrassed about my opinion. I am proud to pay as little for everything I can. I do believe this is a market economy. I see no reason coins are any different from any other widget I buy to make my life better.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not about people "ripping me off". My other thread title is</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="6"><b>The "I don't buy Coins from coin dealers at shows and stick to online buying" thread</b></font></p><p><font size="6"><br /></font></p><p><font size="6">Not "coin dealers are evil and ripping me off thread". </font></p><p><font size="6"><br /></font></p><p><br /></p><p>I understand market economies. I understand popcorn costs more at a movie theater then at home. I'm not saying movie theaters are trying to rip me off. I'm not asking to eat popcorn at a theater but pay costco prices. Basically what I'm saying is in today's world I don't have to go to the movie theater and pay more for popcorn. If all I want is great popcorn then I can buy online popcorn and buy popcorn at near what the movie theater pays when they buy popcorn. But you are right. I don't care about the guy who sells me popcorn. I don't care about the movie theater going out of business. The market is there so there will always be someone to sell me what I want. If a movie theater chain goes out of business Hollywood doesn't stop making movies.</p><p><br /></p><p>What I have been saying all along is I think I can buy good coins without paying movie popcorn rates. And I posted examples. If you really want feel free to go over my coin pics in the "post your coin porn" thread and pick any coin I posted and I'll tell you what I paid. Usually I need to pay around 10-35% above the typical coinfacts or greysheet price. I have made some mistakes and will be honest about them as well. On my coinfacts example coins I can pay up to 50%+ premiums over their last auction price. I'm willing to bleed for those coins. Supply and demand. There are very few coin fact coins and I love owning a coin so pretty it is listed on coinfacts. But the rest of my collection is not so poorly priced. Again I'm willing to be honest about it.</p><p><br /></p><p>My only questions for you are these. Do you really care about the guy at Costco who sells you a tv? Do you really care about the guy who sells you popcorn?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vegas Vic, post: 1990331, member: 58810"]Other thread Call me out on anything you want. This is America if it makes you happy go for it. But I stand behind what i say. And what I have consistently said is that dealers at shows [B]in general [/B]appear to me to have a higher margin then online coin sales that if I hunt around and turn over every rock. Also, you can keep your mutually acceptable price to your self. As I said above market pressure will push the margins down as time goes down. I am absolutely only interested in buying nice coins. I have no interest in developing any relationships with anyone. Now despite that I have some really good ones I've made with online guys. After you buy a couple high end coins I guess they want to know you. So ironically I have even made relationships despite the fact that I have no primary interest in developing them. Now Doug is going to read this and tell me i could get an even better price by developing a relationship. Since price is all I'm concerned with. Good response and I respect it. He is telling me I can achieve my goals better with a different methodology. So I'll respond to what I feel is a good point to make. My response is I think I'm doing very well now my way. And I'm not interested in paying higher prices today to maybe get a deal tomorrow. Just a personal choice. So getting back to dealers. To be honest I don't care about their expenses. I don't care about them needing to make a living. I only care about buying nice coins at the best prices. If a dealer makes money great. But it is none of my concern how much or little a dealer makes on a transaction, a statement Doug has made to others. If I want to buy a nice car I have to pay more then a normal car. I also understand that better coins sell for more then grey or list. But I only want to pay as little as possible acknowledging it won't be the same price as a generic white non special coin. I don't care about anyone selling me any product. When I buy a car I don't want a relationship with the car dealer. I just want the best price on the nicest car. When I go to costco and buy a tv I don't want to get to know the checkout clerk nor do I care if Costco can cover their costs. Maybe yesterday people needed to care about their coin dealer. But in today's world I see it as unnecessary. I'm not "just interested in dollars and cents". I'm interested in coins, buying nice coins and paying as little as possible. I care as little about the coin dealer and their business as the car dealer and costco. If they go out of business the coins don't evaporate and I'll just buy from the next guy. This is America. I want the best item for the lowest price. That's the American way just like baseball and apple pie. I am not ashamed nor embarrassed about my opinion. I am proud to pay as little for everything I can. I do believe this is a market economy. I see no reason coins are any different from any other widget I buy to make my life better. This is not about people "ripping me off". My other thread title is [SIZE=6][B]The "I don't buy Coins from coin dealers at shows and stick to online buying" thread[/B] Not "coin dealers are evil and ripping me off thread". [/SIZE] I understand market economies. I understand popcorn costs more at a movie theater then at home. I'm not saying movie theaters are trying to rip me off. I'm not asking to eat popcorn at a theater but pay costco prices. Basically what I'm saying is in today's world I don't have to go to the movie theater and pay more for popcorn. If all I want is great popcorn then I can buy online popcorn and buy popcorn at near what the movie theater pays when they buy popcorn. But you are right. I don't care about the guy who sells me popcorn. I don't care about the movie theater going out of business. The market is there so there will always be someone to sell me what I want. If a movie theater chain goes out of business Hollywood doesn't stop making movies. What I have been saying all along is I think I can buy good coins without paying movie popcorn rates. And I posted examples. If you really want feel free to go over my coin pics in the "post your coin porn" thread and pick any coin I posted and I'll tell you what I paid. Usually I need to pay around 10-35% above the typical coinfacts or greysheet price. I have made some mistakes and will be honest about them as well. On my coinfacts example coins I can pay up to 50%+ premiums over their last auction price. I'm willing to bleed for those coins. Supply and demand. There are very few coin fact coins and I love owning a coin so pretty it is listed on coinfacts. But the rest of my collection is not so poorly priced. Again I'm willing to be honest about it. My only questions for you are these. Do you really care about the guy at Costco who sells you a tv? Do you really care about the guy who sells you popcorn?[/QUOTE]
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