Please Grade and Compare : Two 1858 over Inverted Date Half Dimes

Curious how these two compare.
Neither set of pics is great, please do what you can.

Thanks!

 

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The second specimen is the better of the two,as far as strike and grade wise.

 

The second coin looks to have a reverse die clash.

 

They both do... these are famous for clashing as such.

I should also add that as an h 10 collector I be happy with either...as this variety has seemed to elude me event though I've hunted it for years
***unlike others....who are newbies who just go oh...look and inverted 1858 half dime!

 

I'll try my luck grading them. I will say that weak strike -vs- wear on circulated coins is hard for me sometimes. From a single pic especially. Also these are not my strong suit.

1- XF45 (slab)
2- AU50 (raw)
The raw coin simply has better detail IMO.

 

Actually, the second coin has lots of luster and is prettier in-hand. Unfortunately, there are a couple of things I am pretty useless at: one of them is capturing luster on coins; (the other involves my wife and things like why we/she definitely needs new furniture, another pair of shoes, or to visit the inlaws).

 

Personally I think they’re both au 50. The first almost looks like it has an old wipe and has more marks. I prefer the second

 

The details of Liberty appear weaker, particularly her right leg, which appears somewhat flat on the PCGS coin. Also, the right side stars are flat. I realize that worn dies and strike have a bearing on these conditions. Additionally, the PCGS coin has a good bit of chatter on the reverse. Both coins are really desirable, but given the choice of which one to take home, it would be the raw coin.
As for grading...PCGS XF 45 or AU50 difficult choice, raw AU 55.

 

I also agree with Mike Au 50 Au. 55 both specimens would be a star spot filled in any collection.
And still on the hunt...

 

Thank you all for your opinions. They are very much appreciated.
(This really helps me putting a grade on my coin).

These little coins seem to be pretty hard to grade. Some of you mention die wear and striking issues could be making proper assessment of actual wear difficult.
It could be the case here as well. Grading from pictures is also not easy

Estimates on the PCGS coin per your opinions ranged from 45 to 50. This is at least 10 points lower than what PCGS thought.

 

Wow. Shows what i know about grading these. I thought I compensated for the blown up pics. You really need to not only be familiar with each series, but the characteristics of each year, and MM. I've got a ways to go.
Thanks for posting @Eduard
(This is reminiscent of the '22-D Lincoln thread).
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/gtg-1922-d-lincoln-wheat-cent-theres-gonna-be-a-fight.347290/

 

Interesting. At first sight I liked the PCGS coin best. After reading all the posts (especially Eduard's post about luster on the second coin not captured in the photo) I thought I'd prefer the raw one.

After seeing the MS62 grade I thought, like @Johndoe2000$ that I have a long way to go in my grading. So, @Eduard, are you going to send the raw off to a TPG? If so, I'd love to see the coin afterwards.

Steve

 

Interesting. I think in hand I may have called it different but still au. I know the strike issues so I was. Grading from the luster breaks and loss. In my opinion that coin is clearly not uncirculated

 

Based on the single 1875 CC dime I have on hand, I would have gone with AU too.

 

@dividebytube, noticed you are a fairly new member. Welcome to CoinTalk!

Steve