Please be a die mark....please...please...

I'm hopeful this is some sort of mark from the die and NOT a finger print. Any thoughts on this would be great as it's a Full Steps (I know, you can't tell from the pix) Silver Jefferson that I'd like to get graded. I've included a shot of the obverse too because it's just so darn beautiful

 

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What do you mean by die mark? Do you mean error? No, it's not an error. It looks like a finger print from where I'm sitting.

 

yeah that was my fear. But I've seen posts where sometimes there's a mark when it rolls off the press (?)

 

Yes, there are many types of marks (mint errors) on coin produced by the mint, which are "true" mint errors. Yours is PMD Post Mint Damage, after it hit circulation. It's some kind of smudge on your coin. You have probably already checked websites. There are many out there to assist you. Here's just one if you haven't already seen it:

http://www.jimscoins.com/error_coin_examples.php

 

Think about it. What part of the minting process could produce such a defect? If you can't think of one, then it is PMD.

 

Looks like a fingerprint to me. From your photo I don't see full steps either. Forget grading it. It would be a waste of good money. Not a mint error either.

 

I often thought of that. How about a nice big fat finger print on a coins "inside" a sealed proof set? I would almost call that a legitimate mint error. Never been circulated, produced by the mint, coming directly from the mint.

 

fingerprint

 

Unless it would grade MS67 or higher, it wouldn't be worthwhile, considering the cost.

 

That's why I keep insisting PMD is not the proper term to use. It should be PSD Post Strike Damage. Anything that happens to the coin after the striking is Post Strike. Post Mint get people trying to decide if the damage happened before or after it left the Mint and trying to say that damage that happened before it left the Mint should be considered to be "Mint errors". But even if it DID happen before it left the mint, it is still PSD and therefor just DAMAGE!

 

okay, okay, PSD with hints of PMD

 

How about PMD = POST MINTING DAMAGE

 

Question - would a fingerprint count against a coin at a TPG? Toning doesn't (I think) even if it is ugly.

 

Actually PMD does mean Post Minting Damage, but everyone shortens it to Post Mint Damage and that causes confusion. Hence PSD. If the S meant Striking or Strike it still means the same thing.

 

I'm going to have PTSD if this keeps going.

 

Agreed!!

 

I'm thinking PMS for me!

 

okay, okay, PSD with hints of PMD, with a touch of PMS

 

Toning can count for or against a coin, but is never a primary factor. It goes into the "eye appeal" category. Fingerprints would be the same way.