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<p>[QUOTE="Numbers, post: 1512166, member: 11668"]Your assumptions are wrong. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie6" alt=":cool:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The government doesn't "borrow" Federal Reserve Notes. Rather, the Federal Reserve buys up government bonds to use as backing for its issues of Federal Reserve Notes; the bonds would exist regardless of whether the FRNs existed. As long as the Fed owns those bonds, the interest that the government pays on them becomes part of the Fed's operating profit, which is deposited in the U.S. Treasury.</p><p><br /></p><p>So if we issue $1 FRNs, then the Fed has to hold on to about $10 billion in Treasury bonds to back those FRNs, and the Treasury winds up paying interest on those bonds to *itself*, rather than to China or somebody.</p><p><br /></p><p>If we got rid of the $1 FRNs and replaced them with $1 coins, then the Fed would sell off that $10 billion in Treasury bonds, and so the interest on those bonds would start leaving the Treasury for good, rather than being paid back into the Treasury in a circle. Compensating for this added expense would be the seigniorage produced by the issue of the $1 coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>It'd basically be a wash, except for one thing. Coins circulate more slowly than bills--people tend to accumulate their coins in a change jar for a long time before cashing them in, and coins also spend longer periods of time sitting in vending machine hoppers and the like. So if we used $1 coins instead of $1 bills, we'd need *more* $1 coins than we currently need $1 bills. To replace the existing 10 billion $1 bills, we'd need somewhere between 15 and 25 billion $1 coins, depending on whose estimates you believe.</p><p><br /></p><p>Therefore, the seigniorage produced by using $1 coins would be larger than the interest savings produced by using $1 FRNs. That's the source of the $5.5 billion savings that keeps getting quoted. (Note that the cheaper production cost of the $1 coin is *not* the source of that savings--the $1 coin *is* slightly cheaper to produce in the long run, due to its longer lifespan, but the difference is so small that it doesn't even pay for the up-front cost of minting the initial supply of 15+ billion $1 coins.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Basically, the only reason the $1 coin looks like a money-saver for the government is that extra seigniorage that results from the increase in the number of $1-denomination-objects in circulation. And that seigniorage is, if you think about it, simply an interest-free loan to the government by the people who hold government-issued coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>So a switch from the $1 bill to the $1 coin wouldn't actually *save* the government any money. It'd make the government better off by a few billion dollars, but only because the government would receive a few billion more dollars from the people. It's like raising taxes to reduce the deficit: raising taxes *does* reduce the deficit, but it doesn't address the reasons we've got a deficit in the first place. Switching to $1 coins does the same thing: it reduces the deficit but doesn't actually reduce the amount that the government spends to keep an adequate supply of currency in circulation.</p><p><br /></p><p>For that reason, by the way, neither the Treasury nor the Fed nor the Congressional Budget Office considers the $1 coin to be a cost-saver. They don't include seigniorage in their budget calculations, for the reasons I've just explained. So when the CBO scores this $1 coin proposal, they'll say that it *increases* projected government spending. Which isn't going to look good in the present political climate.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, yeah, this one's a non-starter, pretty much.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Before somebody asks: What about that huge pile of unwanted $1 coins that we've already got in storage? The trouble is, the pile isn't huge enough: about 2 billion coins. We'd need to mint another 13+ billion to replace all the $1 bills. The Mint would be working overtime for several years.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numbers, post: 1512166, member: 11668"]Your assumptions are wrong. :cool: The government doesn't "borrow" Federal Reserve Notes. Rather, the Federal Reserve buys up government bonds to use as backing for its issues of Federal Reserve Notes; the bonds would exist regardless of whether the FRNs existed. As long as the Fed owns those bonds, the interest that the government pays on them becomes part of the Fed's operating profit, which is deposited in the U.S. Treasury. So if we issue $1 FRNs, then the Fed has to hold on to about $10 billion in Treasury bonds to back those FRNs, and the Treasury winds up paying interest on those bonds to *itself*, rather than to China or somebody. If we got rid of the $1 FRNs and replaced them with $1 coins, then the Fed would sell off that $10 billion in Treasury bonds, and so the interest on those bonds would start leaving the Treasury for good, rather than being paid back into the Treasury in a circle. Compensating for this added expense would be the seigniorage produced by the issue of the $1 coins. It'd basically be a wash, except for one thing. Coins circulate more slowly than bills--people tend to accumulate their coins in a change jar for a long time before cashing them in, and coins also spend longer periods of time sitting in vending machine hoppers and the like. So if we used $1 coins instead of $1 bills, we'd need *more* $1 coins than we currently need $1 bills. To replace the existing 10 billion $1 bills, we'd need somewhere between 15 and 25 billion $1 coins, depending on whose estimates you believe. Therefore, the seigniorage produced by using $1 coins would be larger than the interest savings produced by using $1 FRNs. That's the source of the $5.5 billion savings that keeps getting quoted. (Note that the cheaper production cost of the $1 coin is *not* the source of that savings--the $1 coin *is* slightly cheaper to produce in the long run, due to its longer lifespan, but the difference is so small that it doesn't even pay for the up-front cost of minting the initial supply of 15+ billion $1 coins.) Basically, the only reason the $1 coin looks like a money-saver for the government is that extra seigniorage that results from the increase in the number of $1-denomination-objects in circulation. And that seigniorage is, if you think about it, simply an interest-free loan to the government by the people who hold government-issued coins. So a switch from the $1 bill to the $1 coin wouldn't actually *save* the government any money. It'd make the government better off by a few billion dollars, but only because the government would receive a few billion more dollars from the people. It's like raising taxes to reduce the deficit: raising taxes *does* reduce the deficit, but it doesn't address the reasons we've got a deficit in the first place. Switching to $1 coins does the same thing: it reduces the deficit but doesn't actually reduce the amount that the government spends to keep an adequate supply of currency in circulation. For that reason, by the way, neither the Treasury nor the Fed nor the Congressional Budget Office considers the $1 coin to be a cost-saver. They don't include seigniorage in their budget calculations, for the reasons I've just explained. So when the CBO scores this $1 coin proposal, they'll say that it *increases* projected government spending. Which isn't going to look good in the present political climate. So, yeah, this one's a non-starter, pretty much. (Before somebody asks: What about that huge pile of unwanted $1 coins that we've already got in storage? The trouble is, the pile isn't huge enough: about 2 billion coins. We'd need to mint another 13+ billion to replace all the $1 bills. The Mint would be working overtime for several years.)[/QUOTE]
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