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<p>[QUOTE="Quant.Geek, post: 3070889, member: 74799"]After a very hectic and long day at work, its time to get to the bottom of this post. The answer to this question reads like a facebook relationship status, "its complicated". Unlike the official Class B folles, there are several differences that can be spotted on the coin if you look carefully. Let's look at an official one first so that we can compare. This is the plate coin in labarum.info, which is far better than the ones I have in my collection:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://labarum.info/lbr/img/lbr18230.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now here is my coin that has been annotated with the differences:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]771635[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Christ's face is typically flat in these coins and hence has no features in it at all. Furthermore, unlike the official follis that has a rectangle (▭) on the arms of the nimbus, this particular coin has a quincunx (⁙). The obverse legend is also different. Unlike the typical +ЄMMA-NOVHΛ and IC-XC, we have IC XC with a bar and pellet above. The reverse is also different, but you have to look carefully. The S are more like a backward Z and the L is actually an I. Furthermore, the XS is more like an XI. Finally, to wrap the physical appearance, we also note that these coins are thin in comparison to the chunky follis of Romanus III. All of this leads to the same conclusion that Grierson, Zervos (more on him later) and others came to: Its an imitation! </p><p><br /></p><p>Now who imitated the Class B follis? Now that becomes complicated. Most of you named the Normans in Sicily. Even though its probable, I doubt it due to the higher quality of the imitation in comparison to the known Class B imitations of the Normans. Below is a sample of the Norman imitations that can be found on the internet:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]771646[/ATTACH]</p><p>They are all chunky and clumsy in execution and style. Furthermore, the flans are much thicker than this particular type. In DOC, we see that Grierson's samples are analogous to mine as well as Zervos' one. However, the size varies from about 28mm to 18mm due to cut flans. The weight of the specimens also varies from 9.87 down to 1.63 due to cut flans. The final question now is the timeperiod. Specimens in Dumbarton were overstruck on Class H, G, and K follis and hence Grierson puts a date to around 11th century.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]771649[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Zervos' specimen:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]771651[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll talk about Zervos in another post! Stay tuned...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Quant.Geek, post: 3070889, member: 74799"]After a very hectic and long day at work, its time to get to the bottom of this post. The answer to this question reads like a facebook relationship status, "its complicated". Unlike the official Class B folles, there are several differences that can be spotted on the coin if you look carefully. Let's look at an official one first so that we can compare. This is the plate coin in labarum.info, which is far better than the ones I have in my collection: [IMG]http://labarum.info/lbr/img/lbr18230.jpg[/IMG] Now here is my coin that has been annotated with the differences: [ATTACH=full]771635[/ATTACH] Christ's face is typically flat in these coins and hence has no features in it at all. Furthermore, unlike the official follis that has a rectangle (▭) on the arms of the nimbus, this particular coin has a quincunx (⁙). The obverse legend is also different. Unlike the typical +ЄMMA-NOVHΛ and IC-XC, we have IC XC with a bar and pellet above. The reverse is also different, but you have to look carefully. The S are more like a backward Z and the L is actually an I. Furthermore, the XS is more like an XI. Finally, to wrap the physical appearance, we also note that these coins are thin in comparison to the chunky follis of Romanus III. All of this leads to the same conclusion that Grierson, Zervos (more on him later) and others came to: Its an imitation! Now who imitated the Class B follis? Now that becomes complicated. Most of you named the Normans in Sicily. Even though its probable, I doubt it due to the higher quality of the imitation in comparison to the known Class B imitations of the Normans. Below is a sample of the Norman imitations that can be found on the internet: [ATTACH=full]771646[/ATTACH] They are all chunky and clumsy in execution and style. Furthermore, the flans are much thicker than this particular type. In DOC, we see that Grierson's samples are analogous to mine as well as Zervos' one. However, the size varies from about 28mm to 18mm due to cut flans. The weight of the specimens also varies from 9.87 down to 1.63 due to cut flans. The final question now is the timeperiod. Specimens in Dumbarton were overstruck on Class H, G, and K follis and hence Grierson puts a date to around 11th century. [ATTACH=full]771649[/ATTACH] Zervos' specimen: [ATTACH=full]771651[/ATTACH] I'll talk about Zervos in another post! Stay tuned...[/QUOTE]
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