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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3110035, member: 85693"]Whenever I get a new ancient, I troll the Internet looking for information (most of you do this too, I am sure). Usually I hit all the usual spots - Vcoins, Wildwinds, auction searches, etc. </p><p><br /></p><p>Sometimes I hit something unexpected and I thought I'd share this with Coin Talk (I searched the forum and couldn't find anything on this topic, so I think this is new information here; my apologies is this is a repeat). </p><p><br /></p><p>The coin in question is a common Philip the Arab antoninianus with Victory standing reverse (RIC 51). Many of you may have this in your collection. RIC says this is an issue from the Rome mint, but there are compelling theories that this might not be the case. This coin may in fact have been minted for Philip's campaign against the Carpi, this per a fascinating article "AUXILIARY MINT FOR CARPIC CAMPAIGN (AD 247)" by Thibault Marchal on <a href="http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>"It seems difficult to deal with antoniniani from Antioch without talking about the case of antoniniani of Philip II as Caesar and Otacilia Severa with reverses IOVI CONSERVAT and IVNO CONSERVAT, since those coins are often attributed to the mint of Antioch - the RIC having sown confusion - or to the mint of Rome as in Sear III. So it appeared useful to me to present a synthesis of the actual knowledge about these issues...</p><p><br /></p><p>The article goes on to describe the thinking behind ascribing these to a mint other than Rome or Antioch. Then it gets to the coin I just got:</p><p><br /></p><p>"The question of the attribution of the PhilipI VICTORIA AVGG type depicting Victoria standing left (Cohen 235, RIC 51) to another mint than Rome was raised for the first time by Samuel K Eddy in 1967 ("The Minting of Antoniniani AD 238-249 and the Smyrna Hoard" , New York, American Numismatic Society, Numismatic Notes & Monographs n° 156) who proposed Viminacium as the emitting mint. If this hypothesis cannot be retained on stylistic grounds, it seems on the other hand that this type can be associated to the previously described coins. According to Curtis Clay (Harlan J Berk Ltd), this hypothesis is supported by the fact that no gold or bronze coins - Sestertius, As or Dupondius - present this exact reverse (Victoria is depicting walking left on AE coins with reverse VICTORIA AVGG), and J. Muona's stylistic analysis also seems to support this hypothesis that this type was not minted in Rome.</p><p><br /></p><p>The question of the identification of the mint remains open, and I do not claim to bring here a precise answer to it. What is certain is that these coins were not minted in Rome nor Antioch, but nevertheless they present some common characteristics with the Rome mint style. According to Curtis Clay, these coins could have been minted during Carpic Campaign (AD 245-247) by an auxiliary mint of the mint of Rome. Consequently, one can imagine either an itinerant mint that followed the displacements of the armies of Philip to provide it with currencies, or the establishment of this mint in an unidentified provincial city probably located near the area occupied by the armies."</p><p><a href="http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Of course we will never know for sure, but the hypotheses are compelling, I thought. The one I just got is below. Any other standing Victoria's of Philip out there, or others mentioned in the article issued for the Mrs. or junior? </p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]789051[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Philip I the Arab </b></p><p><b>(247 A. D.) Antoninianus</b></p><p><b>Auxiliary mint for Carpic <b>Campaign (or Rome?)</b></b></p><p>IMP M IVLPHILIPPVS AVG radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / VICTORIA AVG,</p><p>Victory standing left holding wreath and palm.</p><p>RIC 51; Cohen 235</p><p>(3.56 grams / 23 mm)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3110035, member: 85693"]Whenever I get a new ancient, I troll the Internet looking for information (most of you do this too, I am sure). Usually I hit all the usual spots - Vcoins, Wildwinds, auction searches, etc. Sometimes I hit something unexpected and I thought I'd share this with Coin Talk (I searched the forum and couldn't find anything on this topic, so I think this is new information here; my apologies is this is a repeat). The coin in question is a common Philip the Arab antoninianus with Victory standing reverse (RIC 51). Many of you may have this in your collection. RIC says this is an issue from the Rome mint, but there are compelling theories that this might not be the case. This coin may in fact have been minted for Philip's campaign against the Carpi, this per a fascinating article "AUXILIARY MINT FOR CARPIC CAMPAIGN (AD 247)" by Thibault Marchal on [url]http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm[/url] "It seems difficult to deal with antoniniani from Antioch without talking about the case of antoniniani of Philip II as Caesar and Otacilia Severa with reverses IOVI CONSERVAT and IVNO CONSERVAT, since those coins are often attributed to the mint of Antioch - the RIC having sown confusion - or to the mint of Rome as in Sear III. So it appeared useful to me to present a synthesis of the actual knowledge about these issues... The article goes on to describe the thinking behind ascribing these to a mint other than Rome or Antioch. Then it gets to the coin I just got: "The question of the attribution of the PhilipI VICTORIA AVGG type depicting Victoria standing left (Cohen 235, RIC 51) to another mint than Rome was raised for the first time by Samuel K Eddy in 1967 ("The Minting of Antoniniani AD 238-249 and the Smyrna Hoard" , New York, American Numismatic Society, Numismatic Notes & Monographs n° 156) who proposed Viminacium as the emitting mint. If this hypothesis cannot be retained on stylistic grounds, it seems on the other hand that this type can be associated to the previously described coins. According to Curtis Clay (Harlan J Berk Ltd), this hypothesis is supported by the fact that no gold or bronze coins - Sestertius, As or Dupondius - present this exact reverse (Victoria is depicting walking left on AE coins with reverse VICTORIA AVGG), and J. Muona's stylistic analysis also seems to support this hypothesis that this type was not minted in Rome. The question of the identification of the mint remains open, and I do not claim to bring here a precise answer to it. What is certain is that these coins were not minted in Rome nor Antioch, but nevertheless they present some common characteristics with the Rome mint style. According to Curtis Clay, these coins could have been minted during Carpic Campaign (AD 245-247) by an auxiliary mint of the mint of Rome. Consequently, one can imagine either an itinerant mint that followed the displacements of the armies of Philip to provide it with currencies, or the establishment of this mint in an unidentified provincial city probably located near the area occupied by the armies." [url]http://marchal.thibaut.free.fr/e_auxiliary.htm[/url] Of course we will never know for sure, but the hypotheses are compelling, I thought. The one I just got is below. Any other standing Victoria's of Philip out there, or others mentioned in the article issued for the Mrs. or junior? [B] [ATTACH=full]789051[/ATTACH] Philip I the Arab (247 A. D.) Antoninianus Auxiliary mint for Carpic [B]Campaign (or Rome?)[/B][/B] IMP M IVLPHILIPPVS AVG radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / VICTORIA AVG, Victory standing left holding wreath and palm. RIC 51; Cohen 235 (3.56 grams / 23 mm)[/QUOTE]
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