Philip II left. His horse left. So, Alexander went right... into Persia

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    In a recent post it was discussed that the coins with the left facing Zeus in Philip II's silver coins signified it being a lifetime issue.
    But what about Apollo on his bronze issues? And what about the even more rare double lefty?? The Greeks were superstitious about left. So what does it mean???
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    While studying:bookworm: up on the type I stumbled across a great write up and subset of @Alegandron's from my second month on the board!
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/philip-ii-ae-fun.309565/

    I had some loose hope in my heart that this may be a Macedonian shield that the south hoof horse is jumping over. But alas, not only is it not, but we're not even sure what it is!:banghead:
    The sellers description said star. It didn't look at all like a star.
    As @Greekandromamcoins points out the control mark is described as, "with a 'lion's' head (alternatively described as a head of Helios, crab, thunderbolt or unknown symbol, depending on the reference)".
    So that makes what it is as clear as mud.
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    Though, once I got the coin in hand I wonder if this explanation is mixing numerous types. As his, Gandy's and mine all look a bit different. I believe mine must resembles a, wait for it... head of Helios!!!
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    Now I don't have the whole subset, since I just found out about it this morning. But here are a couple more of the man who almost ruled the world
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    The-Assassination-of-Philip-II-by-Pausanias-Wikipedia.jpg



    So, let's see those bronze Philip IIs (ok,ok,) and silver and gold:cigar: or anything that stabs you in the ribs, trips over a vine and cuts you down!
     
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  4. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

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    My first Greek coin!
    Kings of Macedon, Philip II (359-336 BC). Æ Unit. Uncertain mint in Macedon. Diademed head of Apollo r. R/ Youth on horseback riding r.; monogram and trident head below. SNG ANS 908
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    BURNIN’ DOWN THE HOUSE!

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    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Horse Rider LEFT-LEFT facing scarce


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    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 19 Horse Hound LEFT-RIGHT


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    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Apollo - Horse Rider RIGHT-LEFTfacing


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    Makedon Philip II AE 18 Apollo - Youth Horseback spear hd below 359-356 BCE 18mm 6.2g SNG ANS 850-1 RIGHT RIGHT
     
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  6. gogili1977

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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Here's a bronze Philip II!

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    Philip II as Caesar under Philip I, AD 244-247.
    Roman Æ sestertius, 19.61 g, 28.3 mm, 11 h.
    Rome, AD 245-246.
    Obv: M IVL PHILIPPVS CAES, bare-headed and draped bust right.
    Rev: PRINCIPI IVVENT S C, Philip II in military dress, standing left, holding globe and resting on spear.
    Refs: RIC 256a; Cohen 49; RCV 9249; Hunter 14.

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    You mean Philip II of Macedon?!! Why didn't you say so???

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    How about this one? It's a double righty.

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    Philip II of Macedon.
    Æ Unit, 6.30 g, 18.6 mm.
    Kingdom of Macedon, uncertain mint.
    Obv: Diademed head of Apollo, r.
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, youth on horseback r.; thunderbolt below.
    Refs: Bellinger 43; SNG ANS 883.
     
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  8. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The following coin of Greek Philip II is genuine but had been harshly cleaned.

    PhiliGr 3.JPG Philip II.JPG
     
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  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

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    AE18 (half unit?)
    5.7g.
     
  10. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    My one bronze coin (actually my one coin, period) of Philip II of Macedon. I bought it at one of the recent JAZ Numismatics auctions by our own @John Anthony. It's obviously been over-cleaned, but I like the way it looks anyway.

    Macedon, Philip II (359-336 BCE) (posthumous), AE 19. Obv. Head of Apollo right, hair bound with taenia [diadem] / Rev. Youth on horseback right wearing petasos, vertical thunderbolt below, ΦIΛIΠΠOY above. SNG ANS 839, 880-882 [Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, USA, The Collection of the American Numismatic Society, Part 8: Macedonia 2 (Alexander I-Philip II) (New York 1994)]; http://www.coinproject.com/coin_detail.php?coin=183292; cf. SNG Alpha Bank 427 [Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, Greece 2, The Alpha Bank Collection. Macedonia I: Alexander I - Perseus (Athens, 2000)]. 19 mm., 6.19 g., 12 h. Purchased from JAZ Auction 175, Feb. 2021, ex. Savoca Coins, DePew Collection.

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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Cuz, there is ONLY one Philip II worth mentioning. Period!



    :)
     
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  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    Are you certain that that's a vertical thunderbolt below the horse? From the photo it looks like it might be a weakly-struck monogram. Perhaps it is clearer in hand.
     
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  13. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    I'm afraid that it's not really any clearer in hand, but all the descriptions I looked at for this kind of coin call it a vertical thunderbolt.
     
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