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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 3468320, member: 75937"]Difficult to attribute, these large-module coins of Zeugma issued under Philip I. The tough part is that both Philip I and his son used the same inscriptions and same coin designs. Despite the listing in BMC (which seems to imply the capricorn right belongs to Philip I and the capricorn left belongs to Philip II), there are no design features on the reverse to allow one to distinguish them, because later references (Butcher, Manasaryam, SNG Copenhagen) note the capricorn could face in either direction on coins of either ruler.</p><p><br /></p><p>I suppose it comes down to the portrait. A bearded, older fellow would be Philip I and a beardless younger fellow would be Philip II.</p><p><br /></p><p>Got this one from our very own [USER=42773]@John Anthony[/USER] and I really like it. The problem is, I can't figure out which Philip it is.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]922417[/ATTACH]</p><p>Philip I or II, AD 244-249 (or 247-249).</p><p>Roman provincial Æ 28.0 mm, 14.93 g, 12 h.</p><p>Syria: Commagene, Zeugma.</p><p>Obv: AVTOK K M IOVΛI ΦIΛIΠΠOC CЄB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: ZЄYΓMATЄΩN, tetrastyle temple, before which is a grove; colonnade on right and left; portico in front. Capricorn right in exergue.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is a trace of a beard on the chin -- peach fuzz, really -- and I think the portrait is of a younger man. HOWEVER, one thing stands in my way of a certain attribution: David Sear.</p><p><br /></p><p>You see, David Sear attributes this particular coin to Philip I ...</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]922421[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>... and my coin has this portrait. How do I know? Because it's an OBVERSE DIE MATCH!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]922422[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Sear describes a coin with the exact same description under Philip II, though, as #4142.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, which Philip is it? I need your help, guys!</p><p><br /></p><p>Please feel free to comment or post any coins you feel are relevant![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 3468320, member: 75937"]Difficult to attribute, these large-module coins of Zeugma issued under Philip I. The tough part is that both Philip I and his son used the same inscriptions and same coin designs. Despite the listing in BMC (which seems to imply the capricorn right belongs to Philip I and the capricorn left belongs to Philip II), there are no design features on the reverse to allow one to distinguish them, because later references (Butcher, Manasaryam, SNG Copenhagen) note the capricorn could face in either direction on coins of either ruler. I suppose it comes down to the portrait. A bearded, older fellow would be Philip I and a beardless younger fellow would be Philip II. Got this one from our very own [USER=42773]@John Anthony[/USER] and I really like it. The problem is, I can't figure out which Philip it is. [ATTACH=full]922417[/ATTACH] Philip I or II, AD 244-249 (or 247-249). Roman provincial Æ 28.0 mm, 14.93 g, 12 h. Syria: Commagene, Zeugma. Obv: AVTOK K M IOVΛI ΦIΛIΠΠOC CЄB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: ZЄYΓMATЄΩN, tetrastyle temple, before which is a grove; colonnade on right and left; portico in front. Capricorn right in exergue. There is a trace of a beard on the chin -- peach fuzz, really -- and I think the portrait is of a younger man. HOWEVER, one thing stands in my way of a certain attribution: David Sear. You see, David Sear attributes this particular coin to Philip I ... [ATTACH=full]922421[/ATTACH] ... and my coin has this portrait. How do I know? Because it's an OBVERSE DIE MATCH! [ATTACH=full]922422[/ATTACH] Sear describes a coin with the exact same description under Philip II, though, as #4142. So, which Philip is it? I need your help, guys! Please feel free to comment or post any coins you feel are relevant![/QUOTE]
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