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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2790725, member: 85693"]I recently picked up an Antoninianus of Philip I (the Arab) or his son Philip II. This was somewhat confusingly listed on eBay with a poor photo, but I figured I could easily attribute it once I had it in hand. I cannot.</p><p><br /></p><p>To my surprise this type - with one of the Philips sacrificing over an altar on the reverse - comes with identical legends for both father and son - including Tribunician Powers VI for both, which threw me for a loop - surely the kid wasn't old enough. But I found some clarifying information on Wildwinds: </p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Philip I </b>AR Antoninianus. Antioch mint, 249 AD.</p><p>Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right Rev: P M TR P VI COS P P, Philip I standing left, sacrificing over altar & holding scepter.</p><p>Ref: RIC 79a, RSC 156.</p><p><br /></p><p>and</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Philip II</b> sacrificing RARE Antioch AD 244-249 Antoninianus</p><p>Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG - Radiate bust right, draped and cuirassed Rev: PM TR P VI COS P P - Philip II standing left, sacrificing from patera over altar and holding scepter. Antioch mint: AD 249 = RIC IViii, 236 (r) Rare, page 99 - Cohen 1*, 2* (3.81 g.)</p><p><span style="color: #4d4dff">*Comment: RIC footnote states that Philip II uses his father's numbering of the tribunician power.</span> </p><p>*<span style="color: #4d4dff">FTN = First time notice</span> of the listing of this RIC type by AAH (18 May 2003)</p><p>Ref: Sear 9271, RIC 236, RSC 40</p><p><br /></p><p>So, unless I am missing something here, the only way to tell the difference between these two issues is the portrait. The problem is that my budget example, although it has some virtues (giant planchet, well-centered), is hard to interpret because it has a mushy strike (or wear?) and a very grainy (porous? crystallized? over-cleaned?) planchet. Weight on mine is 3.83 grams, which is very close to the Wildwinds example above: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]648119[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The poor metal condition makes it so that I cannot really detect the presence or absence of a beard. Without indication of a beard (or not) I am leaning towards Philip II because the profile is blunter (Philip I typically has a beakier nose). But portraits vary, and the Antioch mint factor can blur distinctions too. Sometimes it looks older, more Philip I to me...I just don't know. </p><p><br /></p><p>Any opinions on whether this is Philip I or II? Also, other than the Wildwinds examples, I was not finding other examples of these "sacrificing" types (just one of Philip I). Are these issues scarce? I am not asking for big-bucks-putting-kids-through-college reasons, just curious - that "First Time Notice" bit interested me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2790725, member: 85693"]I recently picked up an Antoninianus of Philip I (the Arab) or his son Philip II. This was somewhat confusingly listed on eBay with a poor photo, but I figured I could easily attribute it once I had it in hand. I cannot. To my surprise this type - with one of the Philips sacrificing over an altar on the reverse - comes with identical legends for both father and son - including Tribunician Powers VI for both, which threw me for a loop - surely the kid wasn't old enough. But I found some clarifying information on Wildwinds: [B] Philip I [/B]AR Antoninianus. Antioch mint, 249 AD. Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right Rev: P M TR P VI COS P P, Philip I standing left, sacrificing over altar & holding scepter. Ref: RIC 79a, RSC 156. and [B] Philip II[/B] sacrificing RARE Antioch AD 244-249 Antoninianus Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG - Radiate bust right, draped and cuirassed Rev: PM TR P VI COS P P - Philip II standing left, sacrificing from patera over altar and holding scepter. Antioch mint: AD 249 = RIC IViii, 236 (r) Rare, page 99 - Cohen 1*, 2* (3.81 g.) [COLOR=#4d4dff]*Comment: RIC footnote states that Philip II uses his father's numbering of the tribunician power.[/COLOR] *[COLOR=#4d4dff]FTN = First time notice[/COLOR] of the listing of this RIC type by AAH (18 May 2003) Ref: Sear 9271, RIC 236, RSC 40 So, unless I am missing something here, the only way to tell the difference between these two issues is the portrait. The problem is that my budget example, although it has some virtues (giant planchet, well-centered), is hard to interpret because it has a mushy strike (or wear?) and a very grainy (porous? crystallized? over-cleaned?) planchet. Weight on mine is 3.83 grams, which is very close to the Wildwinds example above: [ATTACH=full]648119[/ATTACH] The poor metal condition makes it so that I cannot really detect the presence or absence of a beard. Without indication of a beard (or not) I am leaning towards Philip II because the profile is blunter (Philip I typically has a beakier nose). But portraits vary, and the Antioch mint factor can blur distinctions too. Sometimes it looks older, more Philip I to me...I just don't know. Any opinions on whether this is Philip I or II? Also, other than the Wildwinds examples, I was not finding other examples of these "sacrificing" types (just one of Philip I). Are these issues scarce? I am not asking for big-bucks-putting-kids-through-college reasons, just curious - that "First Time Notice" bit interested me.[/QUOTE]
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