Philip I from Heliopolis

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  1. cmezner

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    Yesterday, I went downtown and made a stop at HJB where I got this AE 27 (and a few more) :cool:. Curtis was so kind and patient, not to mention that I didn't have an appointment. Thank you so much Curtis for all you do.

    Heliopolis (Baalbek), Coele-Syria, Roman province Phoenice, 244/245 AD
    27 mm, 14.17 g
    RPC-6484 (temporary); SNG Copenhagen 434; BMC 21, Greek (Galatia) Catalogue of the Greek Coins of Galatia, Cappadoccia and Syria p. 293;

    Ob.: IMP CAES M IVL PHILIPPVS PIVS FEL AVG (Imperator Caesar Marcus Iulius Philippus Pius Felix Augustus), Laureate bust of Philip I to r., wearing paludamentum and cuirass
    Rv.: COL IVL AVG FEL / HEL Tyche of Heliopolis (Fortuna), wearing chiton, peplos and turreted head-dress, standing facing; rudder in r. hand, cornucopia in l. hand; on each side of her stands a naked male figure (athlete?) holding up a circular object (wreath?), all within billowing canopy held over her head by two female figures (Victories?) standing on pedestals

    Picture courtesy HJB :)

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    Please share your coins from Heliopolis or anything relevant
     
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  3. Bing

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    Great portrait!
     
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  4. Mammothtooth

    Mammothtooth Stand up Philosopher, Vodka Taster

    Very nice Bing, love the portrait
     
  5. Cherd

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    I don't even make reservations at restaurants as a matter of pure principle. If I were ever expected to make an appointment to visit a coin shop, then I suppose I wouldn't be visiting any more coins shops! :yack:

    I don't have any provincials of Philip, or any that were minted in Heliopolis, but I do have provincials of his wife and son, both minted in Antioch, Syria.

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  6. cmezner

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    Very nice ones @Cherd. I don't have any coin of his son, Philip II, - it's on my wish list, a list that keeps growing :D
     
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  7. Cherd

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    Ya, lists seem to do that. For Romans, I initially whittled a list down so that the entire collection would fit into a 100 slot case. Then a bit later, I broke down and got another 50 slot case because I was picking up randoms that weren't on the list. ........ Recently I've been thinking that I'm gonna need even more slots than that! :confused:
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    LOL, I have never done it either. When I want to go picking, I am not making a call.
     
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  9. cmezner

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    Actually, their store where you can walk in is on street level; if you want to go to Ancients, you need go out of the store and take the elevator at the entrance of the building, which is next to the store, to the 13th floor. When you open the door, there are beautiful ancient artifacts just looking at you. Their offices are there and usually I say "hello, anybody here?" until someone comes out of an office. The Ancients section is not a store where you can walk in...
     
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  10. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Agree with the others a real discerning look on Philip's face absolutely great coin, wow that expression we would be struggling nowdays to capture that look on our camera's. One of my favorite hunting grounds for architecture is Heliopolis. 2015-01-07 01.08.10-2 (550x275).jpg 2465.jpg
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  12. cmezner

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    totally agree with @Bing, those both reverses are amazing.
     
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  13. cmezner

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    Very happy I got a Philip II - it was on my wish list:

    BI Tetradrachm, Philip II as Augustus
    Seleucia in Pieria, Antiochia ad Orontem (Antakya, South-East Turkey), 248 – 249 AD
    10.80 g

    Attribution by HJB: McAlee-1060 (V. Rare, same dies as ill. spec. 1061); Prieur-452 (5 spec., same obverse. die as ill.);

    I also found: RPC unassigned, ID 29195 at https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/type/29195

    Ob.: ΑΥΤΟΚ Κ Μ ΙΟΥΛΙ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟC CEB (Imperator Caesar Marcus Iulius Philippus Augustus) Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Philip II to right, fold of cloak on front shoulder.
    Rev.: ΔΗΜΑΡΧ ΕΞΟΥCΙΑC ΥΠΑ ΤΟ Δ (holder of Tribunitian power, consul for the 4th time) ANTIOXIA / S C in exergue, Eagle standing head to l. holding wreath in beak.

    Picture courtesy HJB:

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  14. Dwarf

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    Unfortunately this one is forgery, as many Heliopolis coins of this type on the market nowadays
    ttps://tinyurl.com/2p8s6vbv

    Regards
    Klaus
     
  15. cmezner

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    the link you provided is not working and the coin is not listed at Dr. Ilya Prokopov's Fake Ancient Coin Reports
     
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  18. Dwarf

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    Just to clarify:
    I refer to the first coin of Ancient Aussie - none of yours !
     
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  19. cmezner

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    Thank you so much for clarifying it.
     
  20. Ancient Aussie

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  21. Dwarf

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    Greetings to Down Under
    I know these Heliopolis forgeries now for about 30+ years. Yours is a rather bad one with this obverse, which really has nothing in common with any Roman emperor. If you need a second opinion, just contact FAC or the German forum. There are some forgery-experts around there (no problem using English) https://www.numismatikforum.de/
     
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