Philip and the Curule Chairs

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  1. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I was attracted to this Antoninianus of Philip II simply because it's attractive, inexpensive (went below estimate) and it had a reverse that struck me as a bit unusual---seemingly more appropriate to the late Republic or early Imperial period....and that it wasn't just another example with deities but two 'mortals' instead LOL

    I'll leave the explanations as to how one determines which Officina and Emission was assigned to this coin to the far more astute since I'm stuck at the 'dot' and styling respectively.:eek::confused::facepalm:

    AR Antoninianus of Philip II, (247-249 AD)
    Rome mint, 3rd Officina, 11th Emission, 249 AD
    Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    IMP PHILIPPVS AVG
    Philip I holding scepter; Philip II seated left on curule chairs
    LIBERALITAS AVGG III
    RIC IV 230; RSC 17

    Please feel free to indulge yourselves:D
    phillip II antoninianus curule chair.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thats nice, always liked that reverse type too.

    My only Philip II

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    PHILIP II (247 - 249 A.D.)
    SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria
    BILLON TETRADRACHM
    O:AVTOK K M IOVLI FILIPPOC CEB: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Seen from behind.
    R: DHMARC EX OVCIAC VPATO D: Eagle standing right, wings spread, holding wreath in its beak, ANTIOXIA S C below.
    Anioch, Syria Minted: 249 AD
    26mm
    13g
    SNG Cop 1211, Prieur 473
     
  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Nice Philip II @Mikey Zee @Mat

    Here's my only one. These Philip I and Philip II coins were very well made, despite being so late in the early imperial period and smack in the middle of the series of crisis of the 3rd century. Hard to believe that in another 10 years Roman coinage would deteriorate so much from the quality we see in Gordian III, Philip I and II.

    Philip II denarius.jpg
     
  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    :rolleyes:

    Nice!! ... Mikey-Z, congrats on scoring another cool and thrifty example! (I agree that the reverse with father and son is quite refreshing)

    I have a few examples of Philip and Son ...

    Philip I, AR Antoninianus
    Philip I & Wolf with Suckling Twins

    ancients666j.jpg ancients666jj.jpg

    Philip I & Tyche, AE, 8 Assaria

    Syria Gordian Tyche.jpg

    Philip-II, Sestertius
    Philip-II with spear and globe
    Philip II Sestertius Spear and Globe.jpg

    Philip II, Moesia Inferior, Marcianopolis AE Pentassarion
    Philip II w Serapis & Snake

    Moesia Inferior Philip II.jpg
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice @Mikey Zee ! I was under the impression that the Curule Chair was a very important symbol of Roman Power. Both politically, as well as Clientella relationships between Patricians of their dependents.

    I only have one Philip II and it is a Roman Ruler Portrait placeholder for me. LOL, but my database search shows a BUNCH of the "Real" Philip II of Makedon - Mastermind of the Conquest of Persia! :)

    RI Philip II 244-249 Nisibis Mesopotamia-farthest EAST Temple Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Philip II 244-249 Nisibis Mesopotamia-farthest EAST Temple Obv-Rev.jpg

    And, regretfully, I do not believe I have any coins depicting a Curule Chair... THAT needs to be rectified!
     
  7. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Well, since by coin brotha from the ice flows in the wilderness of Canada also pulled out Philip I, here's mine.

    Philip I Aequitas Ant 246AD.jpg

    Is it just me, or does Philip I here kind of look like Spock?

    Spock-star-trek-2009-6140175-1024-768.jpg
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Philip I ???

    Heh-hey-hey @Sallent ... you cannot have this one... You may only COVET it until next year when you ALLEDGE that you will begin a buying-budget again...

    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate Antelope 1000 yr anniv Rome Obv-Rev.jpg
     
  9. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Budget? What's that? If there's anything we know for certain by now is that I obviously don't know the meaning of that word.
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well Cool! Hmmmm.... I see my coin above as a $2,000 coin... :) Does THAT fit your new budget? :D
     
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  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful posts guys!!

    Hmm, I have come to realize that Doug was correct about "You can't fall off the wagon if you never got on it" Sounds like my impending eulogy LOL

    Well, since we're giving Dad equal time, here's my Tet from Antioch---which I think I purchased at a FAC free auction....therefore a bit cheap and that always helps stretch that annoying budget constraint.
    Phil I antioch Tet obverse.JPG Phil I antioch Tet reverse.JPG
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    A pair of Philip II Philip II 2.jpg Philip II 1.jpg
     
  13. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I'm suprised to see you say that.
    Especially since beating you to the better available has become quite the challenge, lol.
    It is a great place to find some good bargains to stretch the budget though.

    Nice OP pick by the way.
    I don't have any Philips so ya got me there:cat:
     
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  14. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Cool OP coin, never seen it, i like there hat's too.

    Best,

    Eric
     
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  15. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Nice coin @Mikey Zee ! I collect Republican coins, but I do have one imperial coin. It's a hippo coin of Otacilia Severa, Philip's wife. There are several others minted during his reign that I wouldn't mind owning.

    Cal
     
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  16. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    solid new ant MZ! a coin with the ol' "head honcho" chair on it is on my list for sure!
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Would love to see some threads where you are posting your Republicans. I enjoy them also, more towards my focus!
     
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  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Awesome coin with a lot of eye-appeal Mikey!

    180 years earlier Vespasian struck a similar dynastic type.

    V6.jpg
    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.07g
    Rome mint, 69-70 AD
    RIC 6 (R), BMC 46, RSC 541
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAES PRIN IV; Titus and Domitian, togate, seated l. side by side on curule chairs, each holding branch extended in r. hand, l. hands at sides
     
  19. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Congrats Mikey Zee another good pick up, I have a couple of Philip 1 and one of Philip 11, First one Philip 1 Sesturtius temple of Roma, 29.61mm, 16.77gm. RIC 1V 164. 2015-01-07 01.07.48-7.jpg And below two coins of both Philips from Zeugma in Commagne apprx 29mm each. 103265 (550x254).jpg 103265-1 (2) - Copy.jpeg
     
  20. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Awesome posts guys!! :woot::woot: Thanks so much for sharing!!:)

    Naturally, like so many others, I LOVE varying reverses----and especially architectural--- and tend to purchase coins for that reason above all others.:hungry:
     
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  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I don't have a Philip I curule chair but here's a little provincial of his:

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    THRACE, Deultum. Philip I "The Arab"
    CE 244-249
    AE16, 3.05 gm
    Obv: PHILIPPVS IMP M I; laureate, draped, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield
    Rev: C-F P-D in two lines across fields, beehive on a base
    Ref: Varbanov 3041 corr. (rev. description; Varbanov describes the beehive as on a temple, similar to the known type of Philip II, but on this coin it appears to be a simple base or stand)
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-honey-of-a-coin-philip-i-provincial-with-beehive.263409/

    As for curule chairs, I have these two interesting coins which were struck and issued, later to be restruck with special ring dies which altered only the perimeter legends:

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    LYDIA, Sardes (... or maybe not)
    Germanicus and Drusus
    Struck CE 23-26?
    restruck by Asinius Pollio, proconsul of Asia under Caligula, CE 37-38?
    Æ26, 13.78 gm
    Obv: ΔPOYΣOΣ KAI ΓEPMANIKOΣ NEIOI ΘEOI ΦIΛAΔEΛΦOI; Germanicus and Drusus seated left on curule chairs, one holding lituus.
    Rev: ΓAIΩ AΣINNIΩ ΠΩΛΛIΩNI ANΘYΠATΩ; KOINOY/ AΣIAΣ within wreath
    Ref: RPC 2995, Sear 365
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-puzzling-provincial-of-germanicus-and-drusus.264079/
     
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