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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1468827, member: 19065"]No it's not the level of government. The people are the government and if this is happening then it's the peoples own willingness to allow it and not prevent it. I don't buy your excusing the blame to an entity which is wholly created to be controlled from this very sort of menacing action, just as you said it was created for limited government. </p><p><br /></p><p>Besides, no New Yorker is ever going to just 'carry a chip' because they were told to do so. They'd have to surgically implant it in the body and line the blocks with enforcers to nab anyone who had cut it out of themselves and proceeded to crisscross streets at will. If such a thing were even plausible, the same people who buy parking spaces in Manhattan for $500,000 would have a way around not wearing the chip in a couple days time of it going into effect and they'd be back to merrily crossing the street at will as they already do. </p><p><br /></p><p>Jaywalking in the city is the norm. Jaywalking citations are not. Those who even try to stop at a crosswalk or force themselves to walk all the way to a corner to follow a crosswalk to the other side of the street are the ones who breaking from the norm. Often enough those who do appear to walking in some unusual pattern are not sane to begin with.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you really not smell the <i>pot</i> on nearly every street you walk or detect it wafting out of some kids backpack on the train every time you go out? By law people are required not to possess that substance yet it's everywhere all the time. People keep tigers in their apartments for years even though it's a violation of housing codes and animal rights. Stories abound to refute the plausibility of what you suggested. That returns me to the above comments I made about how people would skirt taxation in a cashless society. There are too many people and too many scenarios to absolutely control them all.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1468827, member: 19065"]No it's not the level of government. The people are the government and if this is happening then it's the peoples own willingness to allow it and not prevent it. I don't buy your excusing the blame to an entity which is wholly created to be controlled from this very sort of menacing action, just as you said it was created for limited government. Besides, no New Yorker is ever going to just 'carry a chip' because they were told to do so. They'd have to surgically implant it in the body and line the blocks with enforcers to nab anyone who had cut it out of themselves and proceeded to crisscross streets at will. If such a thing were even plausible, the same people who buy parking spaces in Manhattan for $500,000 would have a way around not wearing the chip in a couple days time of it going into effect and they'd be back to merrily crossing the street at will as they already do. Jaywalking in the city is the norm. Jaywalking citations are not. Those who even try to stop at a crosswalk or force themselves to walk all the way to a corner to follow a crosswalk to the other side of the street are the ones who breaking from the norm. Often enough those who do appear to walking in some unusual pattern are not sane to begin with. Do you really not smell the [I]pot[/I] on nearly every street you walk or detect it wafting out of some kids backpack on the train every time you go out? By law people are required not to possess that substance yet it's everywhere all the time. People keep tigers in their apartments for years even though it's a violation of housing codes and animal rights. Stories abound to refute the plausibility of what you suggested. That returns me to the above comments I made about how people would skirt taxation in a cashless society. There are too many people and too many scenarios to absolutely control them all.[/QUOTE]
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