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<p>[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1571549, member: 41665"]medoraman-</p><p>If I am reading the right 'intrinsic rates,' I don't think Domitian debased the coinage much at the end of his reign (-4.6%) ; on the contrary, it appears he <i>improved </i>the denarius purity from his predecessor.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another excellent source on the Denarius debasement (p.230):</p><p><a href="http://historiantigua.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MoneyandGovernmentintheRomanEmpire.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://historiantigua.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MoneyandGovernmentintheRomanEmpire.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://historiantigua.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MoneyandGovernmentintheRomanEmpire.pdf</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AD 81/2: 91.5% Fine</p><p>Domitian AD 82/5: 97.9% Fine</p><p>Domitian AD 85-96: 93.5% Fine</p><p><br /></p><p>More generally, I'm not sure it's<i> either/or </i>(weather OR currency debasement) - I suppose commodity price inflation might be driven more by polices (wages, maybe even taxes?) <u>coincident</u> with a famine lasting several years for this Wheat Price Event in AD 93. </p><p><br /></p><p>It's certainly NOWHERE REMOTELY CLOSE to the very localized AD 70 Wheat Price Event (siege of Jerusalem) described by Josephus Flavius ... and maybe that's what got conflated in the 'sack of Gold/plate of food' adage.</p><p><br /></p><p>But Domitian's cereal policy (response to scarcity) would seem less localized to Antioch in Pisidia if the Emperor's concern for Food were more explicitly advertised on coinage <i>throughout the Empire</i>. As an early Price-Shock (about 14 years before Trajan's debasement) and the "linear decline" thereafter reported by Duncan-Jones, might it be a cyclical signal?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1571549, member: 41665"]medoraman- If I am reading the right 'intrinsic rates,' I don't think Domitian debased the coinage much at the end of his reign (-4.6%) ; on the contrary, it appears he [I]improved [/I]the denarius purity from his predecessor. Here's another excellent source on the Denarius debasement (p.230): [URL]http://historiantigua.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MoneyandGovernmentintheRomanEmpire.pdf[/URL] Domitian AD 81/2: 91.5% Fine Domitian AD 82/5: 97.9% Fine Domitian AD 85-96: 93.5% Fine More generally, I'm not sure it's[I] either/or [/I](weather OR currency debasement) - I suppose commodity price inflation might be driven more by polices (wages, maybe even taxes?) [U]coincident[/U] with a famine lasting several years for this Wheat Price Event in AD 93. It's certainly NOWHERE REMOTELY CLOSE to the very localized AD 70 Wheat Price Event (siege of Jerusalem) described by Josephus Flavius ... and maybe that's what got conflated in the 'sack of Gold/plate of food' adage. But Domitian's cereal policy (response to scarcity) would seem less localized to Antioch in Pisidia if the Emperor's concern for Food were more explicitly advertised on coinage [I]throughout the Empire[/I]. As an early Price-Shock (about 14 years before Trajan's debasement) and the "linear decline" thereafter reported by Duncan-Jones, might it be a cyclical signal?[/QUOTE]
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