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<p>[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1570235, member: 41665"]For the record, I'm really not interested in any religious question(s). The pseudo-Biblical adage above is well-known and prevalent online, but it's patently false & misleading not just 'textually inaccurate' (where 1 denarius becomes a "sack of Gold" LOL) See it for what it is. </p><p><br /></p><p>To my thinking, the larger issue is the <i>'it'll-never-here'</i> or <i>'it'll be different this time' </i>lunacy of the Paper Bugs. Their insidious propaganda <u>always</u> relies upon some combination of deliberate obfuscation, manipulation, forgetting, and make-believe. Re-evaluating the Biblical price as an historical data point (outlined above) the antigold adage/"prophecy" should be seen as part of that deceit, particularly if directed at preppers. </p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, over the last century or so, <i>several hundred paper fiatsco failed already</i>; Gold <u>never</u> did. If you didn't know it already, please read up:</p><p><a href="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html" rel="nofollow">http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html</a></p><p><a href="http://dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00405" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00405" rel="nofollow">http://dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00405</a></p><p><br /></p><p>fwiw, the equivalent Price/Weights in USD$ should be calc'd <i>retail</i>: </p><p>1 lbs. Wheat = 1.51 grams Ag ... or 1 gram Ag = 0.66 lbs. wheat (1/3rd a kilo.) Since a pound of unmilled wheat can be store-bought for $ 0.40 what does 1.5 grams of Ag cost retail? Two pounds of wheat per worn Roosie ( eBay $1.) The demand for Silver MONEY is much greater on relative basis today, obviously. So it's early to horde food?</p><p><br /></p><p><u><b>Where I am going with this:</b></u></p><p><u><b></b></u>As for the BoR 6:6 Wheat Price specifically, I presume it WAS a leptokurtic distribution or "fat-tail event" for it's day. Why? WHEAT BECAME ALOT MORE EXPENSIVE over the next 400 years. </p><p>Here is a <i>chart </i>of the debased denarius, which should illustrate this:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]214733.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=CONFIG]214711[/ATTACH]</p><p>More here: <a href="http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/ROMLAS.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/ROMLAS.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/ROMLAS.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This appears to be <b>a <b>sigma</b>-event, circa AD 95. </b>But what sigma? Bread was suddenly sold dear, to be sure, but nowhere near a 'sack of gold.' Why? Were other commodities? Has there been any scholarship on this? I have not yet digested Kessler & Temin's paper (2005) to see what baseline or average 'famine' Wheat prices might have been - historical data is always the context.</p><p><a href="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/63816/moneypricesinear00kess.pdf?sequence=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/63816/moneypricesinear00kess.pdf?sequence=1" rel="nofollow">http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/63816/moneypricesinear00kess.pdf?sequence=1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The other famine years (listed above) should likewise illustrate leptokurtic distributions. <b>What I am wondering: do some of these events anticipate or predict financial systemic or monetary collapse? </b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1570235, member: 41665"]For the record, I'm really not interested in any religious question(s). The pseudo-Biblical adage above is well-known and prevalent online, but it's patently false & misleading not just 'textually inaccurate' (where 1 denarius becomes a "sack of Gold" LOL) See it for what it is. To my thinking, the larger issue is the [I]'it'll-never-here'[/I] or [I]'it'll be different this time' [/I]lunacy of the Paper Bugs. Their insidious propaganda [U]always[/U] relies upon some combination of deliberate obfuscation, manipulation, forgetting, and make-believe. Re-evaluating the Biblical price as an historical data point (outlined above) the antigold adage/"prophecy" should be seen as part of that deceit, particularly if directed at preppers. In fact, over the last century or so, [I]several hundred paper fiatsco failed already[/I]; Gold [U]never[/U] did. If you didn't know it already, please read up: [URL]http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html[/URL] [URL]http://dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00405[/URL] fwiw, the equivalent Price/Weights in USD$ should be calc'd [I]retail[/I]: 1 lbs. Wheat = 1.51 grams Ag ... or 1 gram Ag = 0.66 lbs. wheat (1/3rd a kilo.) Since a pound of unmilled wheat can be store-bought for $ 0.40 what does 1.5 grams of Ag cost retail? Two pounds of wheat per worn Roosie ( eBay $1.) The demand for Silver MONEY is much greater on relative basis today, obviously. So it's early to horde food? [U][B]Where I am going with this: [/B][/U]As for the BoR 6:6 Wheat Price specifically, I presume it WAS a leptokurtic distribution or "fat-tail event" for it's day. Why? WHEAT BECAME ALOT MORE EXPENSIVE over the next 400 years. Here is a [I]chart [/I]of the debased denarius, which should illustrate this: [ATTACH]214733.vB[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]214711[/ATTACH] More here: [URL]http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/ROMLAS.htm[/URL] This appears to be [B]a [B]sigma[/B]-event, circa AD 95. [/B]But what sigma? Bread was suddenly sold dear, to be sure, but nowhere near a 'sack of gold.' Why? Were other commodities? Has there been any scholarship on this? I have not yet digested Kessler & Temin's paper (2005) to see what baseline or average 'famine' Wheat prices might have been - historical data is always the context. [URL]http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/63816/moneypricesinear00kess.pdf?sequence=1[/URL] The other famine years (listed above) should likewise illustrate leptokurtic distributions. [B]What I am wondering: do some of these events anticipate or predict financial systemic or monetary collapse? [/B][/QUOTE]
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