Hey everyone. I just received a Peru 1790 IJ 8 Reales coin, but I suspect it is fake. It weighs 27.1 Grams according to my scale (with the wear on it, in my experience it should weigh a little less?) also where the top of the obverse meets the edge, there seems to be a little separation. The toning seems to be washed on? Lastly, the edge becomes smoothe in a section about 20mm , seeminly from poor application of the reeding process? Forgive me if this is obvious, but I thought I would seek a second opinion before returning this coin for a refund. Also, I usually do a simple flip test - should give a nice ring, not a thud if its silver... This one does ring - but I am realizing that copper would also give a ring to it , is this true? Thanks for your help!
from my 2002 world coin catalog... Peru 1790 IJ 8 reales KM#87 , weight-27.0674 g. or .7797 oz. metal-.896 silver , mintage-4,313,000 grade/values VG-$35.00 F-$60.00 VF-$125.00 XF-$175.00 values could be higher now. I do not know if you coin is real or fake. wait for more experienced opinions... guessing that it is close enough to the weight...
Thanks for your response - it seems to me that its too close to the uncirculated weight, with this amount of wear? Also, where the obverse meets the top and is a gap, is also where the reeded edge is smooth...
@p91 Post your coin on "Coin Community Forum." There are several specialists on these coins that post over there. Tag @swamperbob. I got him to join CT but he has never posted or replied to one of our discussions.
Contrary to what a lot of folks think coins don't lose any appreciable weight until they get worn down to the VG stage.
My scale actually reads 27.2 and comes back to settling at 27.1 ... How about the top edge of the obverse not completely meeting the rim? (that part of the rim being smoothe edged)... also the fact that the toning has obviously been washed on (to the left of head) really suprises me that I havent gotten anyone agreeing with my suspicions yet
Can someone explain how the obverse field wouldnt meet the top rim of the coin like this? That top rim is also smooth
Occasionally, this is seen on a genuine coin. However, as I understand it, many of the contemporary counterfeits were given a silver coating "Sheffield Plate Process" similar to the way silverware was made back then. These coins often have a seam at the edge similar to what you see. The edges of these coins are important for authentication. Your coin should have two segments. If you post your coin on the other site as I suggested you will probably get your answer by tomorrow at the latest. They will need to see the edge. Then tell us the results. I have formed an opinion - everyone as one. However, the images of the surface of your coin are not detailed enough to have a meaningful opinion from an image. I have an image but cannot figure out how to post it yet
Thanks Insider for your help - after several tries, I just re-registered and posted as you suggested tagging @swamperbob ... here are a couple images of the edge with a different camera (the area where it doesnt meet the edge is also the area where the rim is smooth - I also took a photo of the best area of the rim)
I'm 99.99% sure you have a counterfeit. The edge is suppose to be continuous w/2 breaks, yours has the circle and square punched in once, then punched in next to it and so on. You need to register on the Coin Community Forum to attract Bob. All is not lost as contemporary counterfeits (if this is one) sell for over a hundred dollars in auction.
Insider, I am also now 99% sure - I just realized the seller has two more coins for sale , both with the exact same patina, and one having obviously the same field not meeting the rim issue. Here's a photo of one of the other 2 coins with the same patina (yellowish, seems painted on, visible swipe marks) he has for sale currently. The thing is - if this is a copper chinese coin, they may sell for hundreds, but you can probably also order them by the bucket load for $5 from china... and it was misrepresented as authentic, so the seller has to accept a return on it. I dont think this coins value is in the hundreds (unless misrepresented as authentic), especially considering he has three of them (albeit all different dates). P.S. I did post on the website as suggested, thanks for your help!
I would say contemporary counterfeit from your interesting photograhs I have linked this thread to https://www.cointalk.com/threads/8-...eninsulars-for-all.258294/page-6#post-2832182
Counterfeit, but does not look contemporary or circulating to me. This looks like the pieces you find on Aliexpress.
