Pedley-Ryan So-called dollars

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  1. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    These rounds have an interesting history and I think they’re really cool. I’ve borrowed the following from So-calleddollars.com since it’s short but comprehensive.


    PEDLEY-RYAN DOLLARS
    1933

    Pedley-Ryan & Co., Denver investment house, in order to provide a convenient medium for speculation in silver and to increase the use and popularity of silver as a medium of exchange, started a "Buy-an-Ounce-of-Silver" campaign Jan. 5, 1933. Silver at that time was in very limited demand, bar silver being quoted at 27 cents an ounce. Up to that time, the minimum amount of silver traded in on the big markets for actual delivery was 25,000 ounces, and this amount had been sold only since summer 1932.

    On Jan. 5, Pedley-Ryan began its sale of round, rimless, plain-edge discs. Size of a standard U.S. dollar, they contained one ounce of silver, 430 grains 99% fine. The slugs were sold three for a dollar and Pedley-Ryan was to redeem them at prevailing market prices of silver. It was believed that thousands of investors throughout the country would purchase the "dollars" and would realize large profits when silver reached the 16 to 1 ratio hoped for by the silver bloc. Silver mining interests in Colorado and elsewhere would, in the meantime, benefit from an increased market for silver.

    The campaign, which enabled even the smallest investor to speculate, ended in late summer. Sales had not reached anticipated goals. After that, Pedley-Ryan (later known as the Cow Gulch Oil Co.) sold bars of 1,000 ounces only.

    Planchets for the pieces were made for Pedley-Ryan by the Sachs-Lawlor Co., Denver, the silver being obtained from the Denver Mint in 100-plus ounce bars. The discs were stamped by a girl in the Pedley-Ryan office. All have plain edge. First five types sold by Pedley-Ryan were stamped or punched (incuse) while Type VII was embossed. Types V and VI, incuse, are not listed in Kenney.

    In An Inside View of the Coin Hobby in the 1930s: The Walter P. Nichols File, Q. David Bowers reproduces a series of postcards to Nichols from Ernest Cerny of Denver in March and April, 1933. Cerny describes Nos. 822 and 824 as difficult to find, but available for sale at $2.50 and $2.00 respectively. No. 825 is described as common, available at 3 for $1.25. He implies that those were the only three types he knew had been produced. Cerny states that 87 pieces were stuck of No. 824, a figure that is slightly different from the 85 mintage listed below. Since Cerny does not mention No. 823 at all, it is possible that his mintage figure includes specimens of both Nos. 823 and 824.

    TYPE I
    Only 60 issued, all on Jan. 5, 1933.

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    Photos courtesy of Dave Hayes
    Obv. Pedley-Ryan & Co. • Denver
    Rev. Pedley-Ryan & Co. • Denver [same as obverse].

    HK-822 Silver. 38mm.

    TYPE II
    Only 15 issued, all on Jan. 6, 1933. This variety was withdrawn when it was discovered that an error, 90% instead of 99% Fine,had been made. The word Fine was chiseled out and the altered die was used to strike additional pieces (Type III) for the silver movement boosters present at the striking.

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    Photos courtesy of John Dean
    Obv. Pedley-Ryan & Co. / Denver
    Rev. One Ounce / Silver / 90% Fine

    HK-823 Silver. 38mm.

    TYPE III
    Fewer than 85 pieces were struck, all on Jan. 6, 1933. See Type II above.

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    Photos courtesy of John Dean
    Obv. Pedley-Ryan & Co. / Denver
    Rev. One Ounce / Silver / 90%

    HK-824 Silver. 38mm.

    TYPE IV
    Not more than 500 issued, beginning Jan. 7, 1933. Pedley-Ryan expressed hope this would be "the last and final variety." Complaints developed, however, that some motorists were using the slugs in lieu of silver dollars at automatic filling stations. A further change then was made, both as to size and type (Type VII). It was reported previously that only "50 made" of this Type IV; obviously an error.

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    Photos courtesy of Tom Hoffman
    Obv. Pedley-Ryan & Co. / Denver
    Rev. 1933 / Silver / 430 Grains

    HK-825 Silver. 38mm.

    TYPE V
    This is the same as Type IV except that word Denver was omitted on obverse. Apparently obverse die was cut incorrectly and error was discovered after only a few Type V were struck.

    Obv. Pedley-Ryan & Co.
    Rev. 1933 / Silver / 430 Grains

    HK-826 Silver. 38mm.

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    Photos courtesy of John Dean
    TYPE VI
    Bertram Robbins and his son Bertram Robbins, Jr., operators of a men's clothing store in Colorado Springs, bought 300 discs (Type IV) from Pedley-Ryan & Co. in Denver at bullion value. One Saturday morning in 1933, Bertram, Jr., seated in a store display window, used a punch-type die to make an impression Robbins on the Corner above Pedley-Ryan & Co. (In a few instances, the impression was made below Pedley-Ryan & Co.) With each purchase in the store, a customer could buy one of the discs for $1. All 300 pieces were sold that day. Kappen-Mitchell, Depression Scrip of the United States, Colo. No. 5.

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    Photos courtesy of Heritage Galleries (HA.com)
    Obv. Robbins / on the / Corner / Pedley-Ryan & Co. / Denver. The word Robbins is curved; remaining lines, straight.
    Rev. 1933 / Silver / 430 grains

    HK-827 Silver. 38mm.
    HK-827a Same as above but Robbins / on the / Corner is below Pedley-Ryan & Co. / Denver.

    TYPE VII
    This is the only embossed Pedley-Ryan; only 50 issued, beginning in June 1933.

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    Photos courtesy of Heritage Galleries (HA.com)
    Obv. Legend around, One Troy Ounce 999 Fine Silver; below, *** 1933 ***. Across frosted center, within circle, 480 / Grains / 999 Fine / scroll / Pedley-Ryan / & Co. / Denver, Colo.
    Rev. Across frosted center, within circle, Bimetalism / 16-1 / Means Value / of This Token / Would be / $1.29; legend around, * Silver the Key to Prosperity *; below, The World Over

    HK-828 Silver. 40mm.


    Here is my recent purchase which I probably over paid for but I really wanted a type 3 since there is a small number of them and I know that it was struck on 6 January 1933.

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    I bought it from a dealer in Colorado assuming that it was out of a local collection.

    Please post any that you might have or feel free to tell me I’m foolish for paying a premium for a private round like this.

    Jim
     
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  3. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Those are definitely fascinating pieces, and a cool piece of western history.
     
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  4. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I have one. HK-825. I felt like I "needed" one.

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  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Man, imagine that -- getting over on Big Gas by sticking them with a one-ounce silver slug instead of a genuine dollar (0.78 ounces of silver).

    (Of course, that one-ounce slug was also known as "twenty-seven cents worth of silver".)
     
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  6. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    The actual market value of petroleum products evaporated during the depression so much so that gasoline could have been profitably sold at 4-5c a gallon - but big oil wouldn't let that happen so it was priced at 25c-27c a gallon.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Fascinating. I knew of these and I have seen them from time to time. I knew they were "rare" but until now I haven't known types or mintages.
     
  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Was this from ALL C's in Aurora CO. If so I have seen it in their case before.
    Very cool coin H8.
     
  9. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    No, I got it from Numismax Rare Coins through eBay but I asked him for any pedigree info and he said he got it from another dealer so it’s possible it’s the same one. There were only about 85 ever so it’s a good chance.
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I see some of these show up in the metro area every once in a while. And probably would have bought one already, I am just unsure of their authenticity, I now have a good thread with photos, Thank you.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I went ahead and bought one type lV.
    PCGS has this one with a rarity of R-7.
    So even with over 500 pieces made. Many have obviously been melted.
    It's a lower grade might make AU, it is the best that I have come across raw, so I bought it.
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