Pedigrees?

From what I know about the Redfield, Binion and the Stacks W. 57th hoards, the coins were purchased in mass and handled for grading in mass.

 

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As far as I know, you can't just buy some coin, submit it to PCGS or NGC and get it pedigreed with something like 'Eliasburg'. You have to have proof that it was in fact in the collection.

 

Those aren't "pedigrees." They're mutts.

Pedigrees are about provenance, and I just can't see provenance in "was once in a huge bag with a whole bunch of others like it."

 

I WANT a 'Doug' slab.



Just to crack it out!


[Sorry, Doug, I couldn't resist]

 

I have a couple of Scots that have pedigrees into some famous British collections in the early 20th century, one Anglish with a nice American pedigree and some personal family pedigreed coins that go back to the late 19th century.

I have several pedigreed banknotes, ie Eric P. Newman and Chet Krause.

 

No - The only way to get a pedigree on a slab is to cross it from an existing slab, be the person who is pedigreed, or be a major dealer or auction house who is representing the collection of the pedigree. Two examples:

NGC - I had some tokens from the Tanenbaum collection, bought directly from the dealer who was representing them. They were still in Steve's 2x2 flips with his writing on them (recognizable to NGC and their token folks). I had the dealer email NGC to declare chain of ownership, and included all documentation when I submitted. NGC would not attribute the pedigree.

PCGS - I had a token that I was crossing from NGC to PCGS. The coin had sold at Heritage and the auction listing described the pedigree and chain of ownership. The auction pictures were of the entire slab, and the certificate number was clearly visible. PCGS would not note the pedigree.

Long story short - no, this is not something we need to worry about so long as current policies remain in place.

 

Stacks, Binion etc. are not collections, they are just hoards. Newman and Eliasberg are collections. For me that is comparing apples and oranges.

 

I think pedigrees are important, but names on a slab are not necessarily. I have coins that can be traced back through collections, major and minor, and auction sales going back over a hundred years or more. To me the history of these coins is more interesting than examples of the same coin where we don't know who owned it before last week.

 

I have heard, although I have never tried it: if you can match the coin to a photograph in an auction catalogue or book, and thus prove its provenance, the TPGs will award you the pedigree.

 

I tried this and the folks on the West Coast said no. I wonder if I had asked our East Coast friends to reholder the coin with the pedigree, what the answer would have been?

 

That stinks. I have a couple CWTs from the Susan Trask collection that I bought directly from her at a show. I hadn't thought about getting them certified, but she told me that I could get her name on the label if I did. I guess she was mistaken?

 

Not all of the slabbed Eliasberg coins are "collectable" either. Eliasberg most likely had a hoard of lower grade coins too and they made it into the market. For example, the 3 Eliasbergs large cents I have grade no higher than VF30. Probably ones he acquired while acquiring other large collections. So he probably had a hoard and a collection.

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I doubt it. She may be able to get with NGC with you - you have one less level of sale history than I did, so it may work.

 

There were bulk lots in the Eliasberg sales. One I know of was a group of rolls of 1883 NC nickels. At least one roll of those were certified individually with the Eliasberg pedigree.

 

I doubt any Eliasberg coin in my price range would have been a highlight of his collection

 

Mortgage the house. Do it. You know you want to

 

I'm quite pleased with my purchase of the 6th least expensive coin in the 1st EPN sale.