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<p>[QUOTE="vavet, post: 400879, member: 11630"]OH please!</p><p> </p><p>Talk about parsing words. That coin doesn't warrant a mint state grade because it clearly shows evidence of handling. The fact that it was found in a bank tellers till only reinforces the fact. Furthermore, that coin was determined to be less than mint state by several other prominent Numismatists. Try reading ALL my comments, not just one response.</p><p> </p><p>You don't need to "suggest" what you think might possibly be my meaning of anything. Just simply ask and you will get an answer even though it probably won't be what you want to hear. I won't dignify your comments about bag marks and hairlines with a response. I know as well as you what is accepted by the Numismatic community. </p><p> </p><p>There is a big difference between "All I said was that they were a business and that I expect them to act like a business and try to make a profit" and, "And who says the TPG's <u>should have</u> a moral compass ? They are a business, they are in business to make money. That is the business of a business. To expect anything else of them would be foolish". When someone says "who says" most people that I associate with consider that a point of disagreement. Now I suppose it could just be that someone is trying to be argumentive.</p><p> </p><p>If you haven't figured out what I think is unsavory about the TPG's from my posts, I'm not about to go through that very long list.</p><p> </p><p>And I have consistantly made reference to where my information comes from. And yes you do respond to most with your opinion, so how is it you're asking what I think is unsavory when you have already responded to it? Is this a case of "If you're position can't stand up to scrutiny, just muddle the waters or change the subject"? </p><p> </p><p>That comment about "frame of reference" was made by Rick Montgomery when he was talking about the other 1804 that was upgraded to 66, not the AU "Mickley Dollar. And BTW, P&N routinely grade coins that might benefit from "conservation" but have not been conserved. If we believe Mr Rick, their grades should all be suspect, No? </p><p> </p><p>Why would I expect TPG's to act differently than those companies you mention? Let me count the ways. Most are regulated, most have ligitimate competition, most are providing a product of value, not an opinion, and if they make a mistake they can be held accountable in a court of law if necessary, for starters.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="vavet, post: 400879, member: 11630"]OH please! Talk about parsing words. That coin doesn't warrant a mint state grade because it clearly shows evidence of handling. The fact that it was found in a bank tellers till only reinforces the fact. Furthermore, that coin was determined to be less than mint state by several other prominent Numismatists. Try reading ALL my comments, not just one response. You don't need to "suggest" what you think might possibly be my meaning of anything. Just simply ask and you will get an answer even though it probably won't be what you want to hear. I won't dignify your comments about bag marks and hairlines with a response. I know as well as you what is accepted by the Numismatic community. There is a big difference between "All I said was that they were a business and that I expect them to act like a business and try to make a profit" and, "And who says the TPG's [U]should have[/U] a moral compass ? They are a business, they are in business to make money. That is the business of a business. To expect anything else of them would be foolish". When someone says "who says" most people that I associate with consider that a point of disagreement. Now I suppose it could just be that someone is trying to be argumentive. If you haven't figured out what I think is unsavory about the TPG's from my posts, I'm not about to go through that very long list. And I have consistantly made reference to where my information comes from. And yes you do respond to most with your opinion, so how is it you're asking what I think is unsavory when you have already responded to it? Is this a case of "If you're position can't stand up to scrutiny, just muddle the waters or change the subject"? That comment about "frame of reference" was made by Rick Montgomery when he was talking about the other 1804 that was upgraded to 66, not the AU "Mickley Dollar. And BTW, P&N routinely grade coins that might benefit from "conservation" but have not been conserved. If we believe Mr Rick, their grades should all be suspect, No? Why would I expect TPG's to act differently than those companies you mention? Let me count the ways. Most are regulated, most have ligitimate competition, most are providing a product of value, not an opinion, and if they make a mistake they can be held accountable in a court of law if necessary, for starters.[/QUOTE]
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