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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 400802, member: 112&quot;]What exactly is that you think &quot;signs of handling&quot; means ? If a coin has bag marks or contact marks - that is signs of handling. If a coin has hairlines - that is signs of handling. But do either of these things preclude any coin from being graded as minst state ? No, absolutely not. The only things that preclude any coin from being graded as mint state are wear, damage and alteration.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I must assume that in your mind &quot;signs of handling&quot; means one of those. If I am incorrect in my assumption - please correct me. But is sure seems to me that you are choosing to interpret the words of Rick Montgomery to mean whatever you want them to mean in order to try and prove your point.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah you&#039;re an old farm boy, and I&#039;m just a dumb construction superintendent that doesn&#039;t know anything. But let me ask you, what exactly is that you consider is so unsavory that the TPG&#039;s do ? And who ever said that I don&#039;t think that some of things they do are a problem ? You must just pick and choose to only remember the things you want to remember. Because as far as I can tell, I am one of the most vocal detractors of the TPG&#039;s that I can ever recall. Do you not ever read my posts in this forum ? Maybe you&#039;ve never read any of the articles I&#039;ve written, but I can tell you first hand that they sure don&#039;t make the TPG&#039;s happy.</p><p><br /></p><p>And when did I say that I thought the TPG&#039;s were justified for not providing services they were paid for ? All I said was that they were a business and that I expect them to act like a business and try to make a profit. </p><p><br /></p><p>But since you asked, I can think of a great many companies that do a great many unsavory things, and each and every one of us chooses to ignore the things they do and still we do business with them on a daily basis. Car companies, oil companies, chemical companies, mining companies, grocery stores, drug companies - all of these companies come to mind. And we rant and complain, and the next day we go out and buy their products. So why should we treat the TPG&#039;s any differently or expect them to act any differently ? That is my point.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>No, you may choose to think that if you wish. But I think I did address the point you were making. Handling does not equate with wear, damage or alteration. And the conservation did not negate anything at all. Prior to the re-grading the coin was graded as AU. But after the conservation the coin was re-graded as MS because the dirt and grime was removed and it became possible to see that the coin had no wear, damage or alteration. Prior to the conservation viewing the surfaces of the coin to judge this was impaired.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for your comment about Rick Montgomery&#039;s comment - &quot;frame of reference&quot; - when there are only 15 coins, and there are 15 1804 dollars, not 14, upon which to judge a basis for grade - yeah, I&#039;d say there are still things they could learn. And when you mention the million or so other Bust dollars - have you forgotten that some mint/date combinations are judged differently from other coins in the same series in regard to grade ? And since the 1804 dollars were all specially made, I would think that qualifies them to judged differently. Of course your opinion may vary.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I cannot think of a single instance where you have provided any &quot;verifiable references&quot; that I have not countered and shown not to be true at all. Sure I can recall a great many times where you voice your opinion on something - but facts, no sorry, I can&#039;t recall any of those.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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