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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;mikenoodle, post: 491411, member: 307&quot;]Doug:</p><p><br /></p><p>This is very well said. I honestly think that this is the crux of what most of us have said all along. Maybe not put quite so well, or so succinctly, but I think this is basically what we all have tried to say. </p><p><br /></p><p>It is the presence of so many quasi-standards that make for all of the confusion. I am not completely unsure that this confusion is not welcomed by the TPGs, though. It drives their business and they have a vested interest not to help clear the air.(I think it is nothing short of a grass roots movement that will eventually change things. It will be collectors like us in groups finally hammering out what we consider to be a clear, usable and coherent standard for grading coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>We need to have the discussions, and we need to have the arguments in order to think things through. My objection comes when people say &quot;those are the standards, and that&#039;s that!&quot; Stifling the discussion will never yield anything productive.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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