pci to pcgs butcher

I'm getting the feeling your talking about modern proofs and not older type proofs.
Then yes do not send them in and they should have not been bought in the PCI holders in the first place IMO.
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Submitting coins for crossover grading can be very tricky and should never be done haphazardly as a tremendous amount of money can be wasted.

TPG's are very protective of their opinions and since grading is just an "opinion" my experience shows that, regardless of what is said or claimed, TPGs view coins slabbed by other TPG's with a cautious eye.

 

Today, I was told by PCGS that the coins are not removed from the PCI holder until the end when they are transferred after the grade to pcgs holders. Another person previously told me they are cracked out ahead of time so the graders never see the holders they arrive in. I am getting conflicting information from 2 people in the same department. So the question is what is the best way to submit these coins?

 

I,am not sure the way that it works, I,ve currently got a couple of notes in process with PCGS
Cross grading from PMG in the PMG holder not sure if that,s going to have any influence on
Grade one is a 68EPQ and ive got my fingers crossed it make the grade there at PCGS

 

I believe there is a way to have them sent with a minimum grade so as they won't crack them out without them hitting that grade.
But you have to have a % hit the grade you put. Like you send in 100 coins and put they all need to be 65's or higher then half or something like that needs to hit that or they will charge you without grading them.

 

When you submit you tell them at what point you want them to re-holder the coin. Lets say you have a MS68 and you are hoping for a MS69 or better on the cross grade. You simply tell them not to re-hold the coin if it doesn't meet your MS69 minimum. I even had a TPG call me on a cross grade when I failed to give them a specific requirement on it. (NCS details to ANACS detail with a numerical grade). That coin happens to be my avatar.

 

Hey Duke how of you been! I,ve already contacted PCGS and there is noway that they can take a glance
At the note with out cutting it out of the holder believe me ive asked and of course they will charge you heres
The note that i,am expecting good things from!

 

This is the 1 and only 68EPQ for the Series 681 25 Cents at PMG will see how the cross
Grading goes there are 2 or 3 of these at PCGS in 68PPQ but there is little chance of
Finding those, wish me luck!!

 

In general

The old 10 digit serial number green PCI holders were good.
The 14 digit serial number green holders were not so good.
The 9 digit serial number green holders were bad
the gold label holders were even worse, then toword the end they started putting cleaned and problem coins in the gold label holders and not identifying them as such.

Then they went out of business and DLRC bought the company.

In August this year DLRC sold th company off again and PCI was reborn.
10 digit serial number green label PCI slabs started showing up on ebay being sold as the old strict green label slabs. They were not and the grading seemed to be questionable but I haven't seen pieces in hand to be sure. PCI has since gone out of business again and they are looking for a buyer.

So even if you have 10 digit serial numbers you have to know if they are the old ones or the new ones

 

I've had good luck with the old PCI all have upgraded

 

I have done that... did it with a Morgan actually and it took 10 tries.

 

Oh, and for what it's worth... PCI accuracy varies wildly, the green slabs with the 14 digit #s are the ones that often cross directly at PCGS, gold holders? HA! But bear in mind that a PCI Green Holder MS65 is generally going to have a lot less market acceptance than a PCGS 64, or 63..

 

They really trashed the PCI name when they started with the gold label. There were some great deals out there if you knew what to look for and many folks would not even look at them. The slab might say MS-69 but the coin was an MS-66 and they were selling for MS-63 prices. Not a game for most to play but some did really well at it. Lots of cool varieties got pulled from these slabs at low prices because few would take the time to check out the coin and not just the slab.

 

I have one coin in 10 digit holder. It appears to not be as sharp as previous coins submitted as PR68 and 69 in the gold holders. This is in a green holder 0000+10digits. PR70. Any advice?
Don't want it removed from holder unless it crosses over!

 

That is a 14 digit slab, not a 10 digit. In general these are not as good as the 10 digit holders but better than the 9 digit holders.

Advice? Leave it where it is because no service will cross a 70 coin. They will not commit to a 70 grade without cracking the coin out so it can be examined without the plastic. And since that means they can't return the coin in the holder if it doesn't cross they won't accept 70's for crossing.

 

PCI holders were good for one thing!

 

This is an excellent time to write "buy the coin not the grade on the slab". I mean, I have never bought a PCI coin for what grade is on the slab. I have though bought PCI coins before for a coin which had barely any bids and the coin was outstanding, full of luster and excellent eye appeal.

As a matter of fact, because they are that far off on the grades, it keeps collectors from buying or fighting for such coins which helps others (like me) take advantage and grab some real nice coins and send to NGC or PCGS. I've even seen some nice toned Morgans auctioned off by Shane and have sold pretty well but because of the coin itself IMO.

 

I am going to see if I can get a good scan or picture of it this week. I am not sure what the person above was trying to convey about pci holders were good for one thing, is that person implying the holders somehow were not sealed properly? Because the coin has some similar toning around a section of the edge of the coin like under the eagle with the picture on the right.

 

I now see the label reads 100% white, and the coin is toned, it brought a laugh and a smile, thanks for making my day!