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Message:: [QUOTE="dei, post: 2922316, member: 75743"]As stated about classic vehicles - the original will be worth far more than a rebuild. Baseball cards cannot be altered. Non-intrusive conservation is somewhat expected for cloth items and paintings. You don't seem to understand about coins, though. Sure, you can dip your coin in MS-70. But if you end up stripping the luster because you have done so, then you have destroyed much of the collector value. It would be the same as if you took a sledgehammer to the hood of an original '67 Mustang. You can get a new hood, but that car will never be original again.. and an expert will know that. If you use acetone to get PVC off and you do it correctly, that's called conservation. You are taking a destructive element off, and since you are careful then there is no harm to the coin surface. One thing that is a part of every "doctoring" or change to a coin is intent. No "sniffer" will ever be able to detect intent. Coins made/changed for the collector market are a relatively recent phenomenon; if a fake was made 150 years ago (or hell, in the 40's like the US 5cent) it was more likely to be expected to blend in and circulate alongside the real coins, not to be peeked at with a magnifying glass and queried for its grade and price. (I say "relative" but put that into context with how long we've had coins..) Especially with changing an existing coin: whether it's rainbow toning, dipping, or filling of a hole - intent matters. That is somewhat covered by PNG and ANA membership standards - when you sign up, you're saying your intent will not be evil. Whether you are lying or not is a different matter, and you will build your reputation thusly. Being able to infer the intent takes knowledge of both the coin and the reputation of the seller. Coins were being sold sight unseen (i.e., through mail order sell lists), and buyers started needing something a bit more to trust than just the seller's say-so, especially in cases where they could not see the coin in hand. This was the hole the TPGs were supposed to fill - they guaranteed the coin you've never seen but want to buy will be the coin that the seller says it is. It's just gotten all kinds of crazy since then. In the end, if you know the coin type then trust your gut; if you do not know it, you can most likely trust the TPG.. but if you buy the book on the coin and learn about it first, you can completely avoid them until it comes time for your heirs to sell your collection. Systems like these help both new and experienced collectors. There are fewer rotten eggs in them by their design; reputation loss is exponentially worse when outted as a jerk. It's fine if you are not a member, but don't try to turn our YNs against them, especially since many have the capacity to help them get started and keep them going when many of us as individuals do not. I thought for sure you were actually trying to dig for info, but damn. You've spent more time and effort hollering about it and "almost" making false accusations than it would have taken to look up the information you supposedly seek. All of the information you need is in this article. The original case was dismissed with prejudice. The new case was filed in Orange County, CA on March 24, 2011. Hm.. needs more keywords. SILVANO DIGENOVA VS. COLLECTORS UNIVERSE 03/24/2011 Civil Case, more info below. How to research:1. Most courts are online now, <a href="http://www.courts.ca.gov/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.courts.ca.gov/" rel="nofollow">start at the state level</a>2. <a href="http://www.courts.ca.gov/find-my-court.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.courts.ca.gov/find-my-court.htm" rel="nofollow">Find your county</a>3. <a href="https://apps.occourts.org/Account/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://apps.occourts.org/Account/" rel="nofollow">Make an account if you need to</a>4. <a href="https://ocapps.occourts.org/civilwebShoppingNS/Search.do#searchAnchor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://ocapps.occourts.org/civilwebShoppingNS/Search.do#searchAnchor" rel="nofollow">Go through the different searches</a> - sometimes one will want to charge for the search while others just want to charge for resulting documents. In our case, it wants to charge for name search, but had no trouble searching by date.5. Search the search results page for the name in the case & click the link You end up at a page with a ton of info and with a Print link. Click that and it lists every document in the case. Some you can order for download, some not. Case Summary:Case Id:    30-2011-00460938-CU-NP-CJCCase Title:    SILVANO DIGENOVA VS. COLLECTORS UNIVERSECase Type:    NON-PI/PD/WD TORT - OTHERFiling Date:    03/24/2011Category:    CIVIL - UNLIMITEDRegister Of Actions:ROA    Docket    Filing Date    Filing Party    Document    Select1    COMPLAINT FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO; KRILL, GREG; WESSELINK, RICHARD ON 03/24/2011    03/24/2011        10 pages2    SUMMONS ISSUED AND FILED FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO; KRILL, GREG; WESSELINK, RICHARD ON 03/24/2011    03/24/2011        1 pages3    CIVIL CASE COVER SHEET FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO; KRILL, GREG; WESSELINK, RICHARD ON 03/24/2011    03/24/2011        1 pages4    CASE ASSIGNED TO JUDICIAL OFFICER MOSS, ROBERT ON 03/24/2011.    03/24/2011        1 pages5    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 166 - COMPLAINT OR OTHER 1ST PAPER IN THE AMOUNT OF 395.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10863704 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10687597.    03/24/2011        1 pages6    PROOF OF SERVICE OF SUMMONS FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 04/07/2011    04/07/2011        3 pages7    PROOF OF SERVICE OF SUMMONS FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 04/12/2011    04/12/2011        2 pages8    PROOF OF SERVICE OF SUMMONS FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 04/12/2011    04/12/2011        2 pages9    PROOF OF SERVICE OF SUMMONS FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 04/15/2011    04/15/2011        2 pages10    PROOF OF SERVICE OF SUMMONS FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 04/15/2011    04/15/2011        2 pages11    MOTION TO STRIKE (SPECIAL MOTION TO STRIKE) FILED BY COLLECTORS UNIVERSE, INC.; ATTLESEY, KEITH; STORM, SUZANNE; VARTIAN, ARMEN; ATTLESEY & STORM, LLP ON 05/04/2011    05/04/2011        21 pages12    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 167 - ANSWER OR OTHER 1ST PAPER IN THE AMOUNT OF 395.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10896429 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10720321.    05/04/2011        1 pages13    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 167 - ANSWER OR OTHER 1ST PAPER, 167 - ANSWER OR OTHER 1ST PAPER, 167 - ANSWER OR OTHER 1ST PAPER, 167 - ANSWER OR OTHER 1ST PAPER IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,580.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10896435 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10720327.    05/04/2011        1 pages14    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT SCHEDULED FOR 07/08/2011 AT 10:00:00 AM IN C23 AT CENTRAL JUSTICE CENTER.    05/04/2011        NV 15    REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL NOTICE FILED BY ATTLESEY & STORM, LLP; ATTLESEY, KEITH; COLLECTORS UNIVERSE, INC.; STORM, SUZANNE; VARTIAN, ARMEN ON 05/04/2011    05/04/2011        232 pages16    NOTICE OF CONTINUANCE FILED BY COLLECTORS UNIVERSE, INC. ON 05/06/2011    05/06/2011        3 pages17    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 37 - STIPULATION AND ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 20.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10930522 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10754414.    06/14/2011        1 pages18    STIPULATION AND ORDER (TO CONTINUE HEARING DATE FOR MOTION TO STRIKE) FILED BY THE SUPERIOR COURT OF ORANGE ON 06/17/2011    06/17/2011        5 pages19    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT SCHEDULED FOR 08/12/2011 AT 10:00:00 AM IN C23 AT CENTRAL JUSTICE CENTER.    07/08/2011        NV 20    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2011 AT 10:00 AM IN THIS DEPARTMENT.    07/08/2011        NV 21    MINUTES FINALIZED FOR MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT 07/08/2011 10:00:00 AM.    07/08/2011        1 pages22    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 37 - STIPULATION AND ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 20.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10959383 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10783275.    07/26/2011        1 pages23    ORDER - OTHER FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 07/29/2011    07/29/2011        5 pages24    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT SCHEDULED FOR 09/16/2011 AT 10:00:00 AM IN C23 AT CENTRAL JUSTICE CENTER.    07/29/2011        NV 25    NOTICE - OTHER (OF ENTRY OF ORDER) FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO; KRILL, GREG; WESSELINK, RICHARD ON 08/09/2011    08/09/2011        10 pages26    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 37 - STIPULATION AND ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 20.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 10984619 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10808511.    09/01/2011        1 pages27    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT SCHEDULED FOR 10/21/2011 AT 10:00:00 AM IN C23 AT CENTRAL JUSTICE CENTER.    09/08/2011        NV 28    ORDER - OTHER FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO ON 09/08/2011    09/08/2011        5 pages29    PAYMENT RECEIVED BY FOR 37 - STIPULATION AND ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 20.00, TRANSACTION NUMBER 11013994 AND RECEIPT NUMBER 10837886.    10/19/2011        1 pages30    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT SCHEDULED FOR 12/30/2011 AT 10:00:00 AM IN C23 AT CENTRAL JUSTICE CENTER.    10/21/2011        NV 31    MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT CONTINUED TO 12/30/2011 AT 10:00 AM IN THIS DEPARTMENT.    10/21/2011        NV 32    MINUTES FINALIZED FOR MOTION TO STRIKE COMPLAINT 10/21/2011 10:00:00 AM.    10/21/2011        1 pages33    E-FILING TRANSACTION 266745 RECEIVED ON 10/20/2011 03:32:59 PM.    10/25/2011        NV 34    NOTICE OF HEARING (OF CONTINUED HEARING ON MOTION TO STRIKE) FILED BY ATTLESEY, KEITH; VARTIAN, ARMEN; STORM, SUZANNE; ATTLESEY & STORM, LLP; COLLECTORS UNIVERSE, INC. ON 10/20/2011    10/20/2011        3 pages35    REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - ENTIRE ACTION FILED BY DIGENOVA, SILVANO; KRILL, GREG; WESSELINK, RICHARD ON 11/07/2011    11/07/2011        2 pages36    COMPLAINT DISPOSED WITH DISPOSITION OF REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL.    11/07/2011        NV 37    CASE DISMISSED WITH DISPOSITION OF REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL    11/07/2011        NV Participants:Name    Type    Assoc    Start Date    End DateATTLESEY & STORM, LLP    DEFENDANT        03/24/2011BARTEL & EVANS LLP    ATTORNEY        03/24/2011RICHARD WESSELINK    PLAINTIFF        03/24/2011COLLECTORS UNIVERSE    DEFENDANT        03/24/2011COLLECTORS UNIVERSE, INC.    DEFENDANT        05/04/2011SUZANNE STORM    DEFENDANT        04/13/2011ARMEN VARTIAN    DEFENDANT        03/24/2011GREG KRILL    PLAINTIFF        03/24/2011JACKSON & STEPHENSON, LLP    ATTORNEY        03/24/2011KEITH ATTLESEY    DEFENDANT        03/24/2011SILVANO DIGENOVA    PLAINTIFF        03/24/2011RUTAN & TUCKER LLP    ATTORNEY        05/04/2011Hearings:Description    Date    Time    Department    Judge ----- So.. now that you know where to find the info (and hopefully how to do so again, yay research!), why not educate the unwashed masses? Now every web search looking for this information will lead here - so make it good <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Edited to add: the data above is used for illustrative purposes as to the great swath of public information available if a search is done - the available pages for each action shows how much detail can be obtained. I can chop some out if the post is too long.[/QUOTE]

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